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Ban the Behavior, Not the Breed

January 02, 2012 / (43) comments


Living in Colorado is great, but unfortunately, the combination of my proximity to Denver and my profession leaves me having to answer questions about that city’s asinine "pit bull" breed ban.

 

The law states that "It shall be unlawful for any person to own, possess, keep, exercise control over, maintain, harbor, transport, or sell within the city any … dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of … the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club."

I’ve met many pit bulls throughout my career, and the great majority of them have had absolutely no aggressive tendencies toward people (I cannot say same about some other breeds that shall go nameless). So why is it that we seem to hear so many gruesome accounts of pit bull attacks?

One reason is that stories about aggressive pit bulls are more sensational than stories about equally aggressive dogs from a breed with a more benign reputation. The media is far more likely to report on a problem pit bull than a problem Labrador retriever. Also, greater public awareness of pit bulls has increased the likelihood that any muscular, short-coated dog with a large head will be identified as a pit bull, particularly if it has been involved in an attack.

But claims of media bias cannot explain away the times when pit bulls have truly bitten, sometimes with tragic consequences. What has gone wrong in these instances?

Sometimes, pit bull owners are to blame. These dogs are extremely trainable and want nothing more than to please their owners. Unfortunately, if an immoral person wants their pit bull to be aggressive towards people and he or she rewards this behavior, the dog is likely to act in the way that his owner has intended. Also, dogs that have been neglected, abused, or poorly socialized are more likely to be aggressive. If a pit bull has had only unpleasant dealings with people or has no experience with strangers, it should not come as too great of a surprise when he lashes out.

In other instances, breeders need to take responsibility for vicious dogs. Conscientious breeders carefully select only the best individuals for use in their programs and routinely produce wonderful animals. But, if someone instead seeks out pit bulls that act aggressively towards people, and then mates the aggressive dogs to each other, years of proper breeding can be undone in just a generation or two.

Finally, sometimes the process of reproduction, development and aging goes astray. In a particular dog, genes may combine in just the wrong way, producing an individual that is very different from what is normal. Although the majority of pit bulls are gentle and trustworthy around people, a specific dog may not be. Of course, the same can be said for golden retrievers, toy poodles, or any other breed. Diseases or injuries that cause pain or adversely affect brain function may also be responsible for turning any dog into a potential threat.

A recent study revealed that "breeds classified as potentially dangerous did not show aggressiveness more often than the remaining ones," which goes to show that breed bans are a truly thoughtless way to deal with the problem of aggressive pets.

 

 

Dr. Jennifer Coates

 

 

Image: Bill Gadbury / via Shutterstock

 

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COMMENTS (43)
1
I'll Say It
by on 01/02/2012 06:02am

"the great majority of them have had absolutely no aggressive tendencies toward people (I cannot say same about some other breeds that shall go nameless)."

"the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics"

So why aren't HUMANS exhibiting those characteristics banned? I'll bet there are plenty of those.

by on 01/03/2012 07:25am

HA! I couldn't agree more ! I have a Lab mix who was classified as a Lab/Boxer mix but one look and I thought he was a Pit Bull mix. I firmly believe he was classified as a Boxer/Lab so he would get adopted. I met him and knew I wanted to bring him home and opted not to do any testing to prove otherwise because I did not care. I took the shelter vet at his word and use that paperwork when I renew my dog's license each year.

We do not have breed restrictions in my community however, shortly after I brought my dog home, my neighbor called animal control because as he put it, he " did not like how the dog looked" and was "concerned for his grandkids" because, again, HE didn't like how the dog looked.

A) my backyard is completely fenced in ( why would his grandkids be in my yard anyway?)
B) my dogs ( I have a Boxer along with the Lab mix) are always on leashes when I walked them
C) my newly adopted dog had no history AT ALL
D) I don't like the way my neighbor looks yet I didn't ask the ugly police to take him away ( if only it were that simple!)

This neighbor is the same ninny who reached over my fence to supposedly pet my Box and got scratched. He told animal control that he thought it was ok to pet a dog with A CLOSED FIST. Needless to say, a higher fence went up and the lawyer in me came out - "fences make good neighbors" but so does the threat of legal action. Stay out of my yard dude, no one invited you and learn how to pet a dog. Who 'pets' a dog with a closed fist?!


The animal control officer was infuriated by his complaint and behavior and told me to let her know if he causes any problems. I suspect he will be A-OK from now on. The funny part is, the neighbors are chummy to my husband as if nothing ever happened. I even caught their adult daughter trying to socialize her small dog with my dogs through the fence once! I moved to this community because it is clean, quiet, etc. and do not like animosity so I am cordial but definitely wary of people who behave in this manner.

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Pitt Bulls
by on 01/02/2012 09:14am

Here they go, who or what is next ? This is how control starts, A little here a little there. Until the so-called Law-Makes, controls all our lifes. Oh I could be over reacting. Read your History Books.

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Vicious Dogs
by on 01/02/2012 09:47am

At various times my leashed dogs have been attacked by chows and rottweilers. In every case the attack was unprovoked; my dog was leashed and the other dog was not restrained. In each case I blamed the owner (one owner was an attorney). My malamute mix didn't like other dogs either but was always leashed or in a fenced yard.

I'm sure there are some dogs that are just bad genetically. However, based on my experience. the bad dogs belonged to bad owners.

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Dog aggressive Pit Bulls
by on 01/02/2012 11:09am

I do agree that the problem is the owners. My Borzoi would never think to hurt a human. However, cats and small dogs are prey. They NEVER leave my fully fenced, double gated property except on a leash, unless we are hunting. And I don't mean hunting the neighbors cats and small fluffy dogs.

Owners should be cognizant of damage their dogs can do to other animals as well as to people. My dogs have been attacked by free running pit bulls when they were on leash, and had I a gun, they would have been stopped dead, to say nothing of their irresponsible owners. As it was, I was glad I was wearing sturdy boots and had a walking stick.

From the UKC Standard:
Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable.

1. Could you please address this issue of dog aggression?
2. And could you please address: "All dog bite, some dogs don't let go."

by on 01/02/2012 02:53pm

A tendency toward "dog aggression" is no reason for breed-specific legislation either. It's very easy for a responsible dog owner to deal with dog aggression. Keep the dog under control at all times, just like you do with your borzois. If other dog owners are similarly responsible, there will never be a problem.

As for the second question, many dogs are quite tenacious and have strong bites. You can always break up a dog fight even though you might have a harder time with some dogs. They key is to avoid having to do so in the first place, which is where step one comes into play.

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Politics vs Profession
by on 01/02/2012 12:42pm

It amazes me. As a pit-bull rescue, certified trainer and one who sits on the Animal Control Advisory Board, I am constantly in contact with animal professionals from every angle and I can't find a single one that would agree that "Pit Bull's" exhibit any more aggressive tendencies (toward people) than any other breed. Not a one agrees with any form of breed ban. Where do these politicians do their research? How can they justify passing a law that obviously the majority of animal professionals disagree with? As the responsible owner of 2 Pits, one Pit/Boxer mix and a Rottweiler you can just imagine what I think about Colorado's politicians!

Greg Fishback, CPDT

by on 01/02/2012 01:23pm

I'm still waiting for politicians to actually provide facts. They pick their cause and modify the "facts" to suit their purposes.

So many issues require real research. It's much easier to "tweet" something that doesn't require much thought from either the issuer or the reader.

by on 01/03/2012 11:54am

They get the laws passed by buying the people who pass the laws

by on 01/06/2012 05:49pm

I have owned pit-bulls all my life, until now. It is too difficult to purchase homeowners insurance and/or rent a home when you have a Pit because of being deemed a dangerous breed. However, when I had my last pit-bull, he would often play fetch with the meter reader. He also loved the mail man. Unfortunately, he thought other dogs and cats were prey. But I took precautions so there were no accidents. If there had been it would have been my fault not his. He never showed any people aggression. He enjoyed welcoming (beckoning to be petted with loud whines)strangers. Therefore, he made a lousy guard dog. After he died at the age of eighteen, I decided that I could not take the frustration of explaining how pit-bulls are like any other dog. If they are trained to be mean, they will be mean. Pits tend to be a emotionally sensitive breed that need a calm household or they will get nervous energy packed in a body of pure muscle. But of course, it all depends on the individual dog. Not all White/Black/Asian (ect) people are the same. Not all pit-bulls will tend to have same personality. Now, if I even mention my love for this breed, I am met with a shocked look or a long drawn out lecture of how dangerous that breed is (99% of the time). Like you, I am frustrated with where these people get their information. I wish more people would watch shows like; "Dog Whisperer" or "Pit Boss" or even "Little Rascals" that shows this majestic dog breed for what it is. They are kind, loving, eager to please and great with children.

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by on 01/02/2012 01:24pm

I think a lot of the problem lies in identification as well. Pitbulls (and of course their mixes) come in a wide variety of colors and the dogs that are commonly lumped in with APT's (like American Bulldogs, Cane Corsos, etc) come in a wide variety of shapes. One of the best resources I show people is this test: (http://www.pickthepit.com/) because many studies have shown that even animal control officers who were tested could not properly identify even a purebred pitbull, much less a mix. So with the identification issues plus the media hype it seems like any dog who cant be immediately identified as a lab, rott, GSD, or the like is deemed a pitbull. One dog who was deemed a pitbull had a genetic test run and it came back as 70% poodle!

I dont own a pitbull myself (Ive interacted with many in this line of work however), but I do own a Rottweiler and I think that it is all to easy for BSL to branch to my breed and beyond once it is started. Plus, who can remember a time when there wasnt a vilified breed in the 20's-30's it was the Bloodhound for pete's sake! Finally, two of the best anti-breed ban statements I have ever heard were that no single, household pet pitbull has ever been involved in a bite related fatality (per the National Canine Research Council), and that there are no truly animal based organizations who support breed bans and in fact the ASPCA, AVMA, NCRC, and AKC all have statements against such legislation. Sorry for the diatribe...its just something Im really passionate about!

by on 01/02/2012 02:11pm

I'm curious about::
"Finally, two of the best anti-breed ban statements I have ever heard were that no single, household pet pitbull has ever been involved in a bite related fatality"

Is that as "pitbull" defined as one specific purebred dog? Because there have definitely been recent fatalities caused by pit-type dogs in my area. Two by dogs that fit the breed description for an APBT, one was called a Pittbull by its owners, had the general conformation, but was closer to 80 lbs.

In all three cases, these were pets. In all three cases, there were other dogs in the home, but none of home participated in the attack.

by on 01/02/2012 03:18pm

The statement refers to the fact that (as of the study) no confirmed (by a specialist) single American Pitbull terrier (the specific breed, not just a "type") who was actively involved inside the household (as in not chained outside for most of its days) has been involved in a "canine homicide".

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Agree completely
by on 01/02/2012 01:40pm

As a veterinarian, I've had the same experience. In my community, "pit bull breeds" are not banned but are required to be insured.

I agree with that Dr. Coates about pit bulls in general. Though I have met some people-aggressive "pit bulls", they do NOT outnumber the aggressive individuals found in other breeds. In fact, the majority of "pit bulls" that I know are friendly, well-adjusted dogs.

I agree with the previous commenter also that identification is a problem. The term "pit bull" means different things to different people, I think. Not everyone thinks of the APBT when the term "pit bull" is mentioned. There are many breeds that are commonly referred to as "pit bulls" or "pit bull breeds". And many (maybe most?) people cannot easily tell these various breeds apart.

Great post, Dr. Coates. This is an important topic that needs to be discussed.

by on 01/02/2012 01:57pm

I refer to it as a "type" at this point. We're not talking just the APBT or Staffies, but Pit-type dogs.

In my opinion, you need to spend time at your local county shelter or animal control to get a true sense of what's happening with these animals.

In a regular vet practice, you're seeing a tiny subset of the Pit-type population. In my area, a person who is willing to pay for service for their animals is an entirely different owner than most Pit-type dogs.

by on 01/03/2012 07:30am

The shelter at which I volunteer does a great job with its Pit Bull Awareness campaign and I suspect that has helped educate the public and the politicians in this area.

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So, what's the solution?
by on 01/02/2012 01:51pm

So, did that study use shelter dogs who've come from disadvantaged backgrounds? Or just well-socialized, well-bred purebreds? Cuz the type of people breeding and owning problem Pit-types aren't taking their dogs in for behavior evals.

Where I live, there are two types of people who own pit-type dogs. One is the committed breed lover with rescued Pits that they will tell you are the sweetest things to ever walk the earth (often true). The other 95% are the idiot gang banger wannabes.

Having worked at the largest county shelter in the area, I can tell you that a vast majority of dogs coming in on vicious dog holds are complete mutts, with most appearing to be Pit mixes. Is this because it's all Pits all the time in my area? Nope. That county shelter serves some of the most affluent areas in the country. 'Doodles, rare breeds and expensive "it" dogs abound. Anecdotal, yes. The county attends festivals in the lower income areas to educate on spay/neuter and vaccinations. They drive a spay/neuter van into those areas several times a month for FREE services. They go into schools to socialize the kids with dogs and to talk about dog fighting.

Yet our shelters are filled to the brim with Pit-types. And they are often virtually unadoptable. We'd have sweet, goofy pits up for adoption for sometimes YEARS at a time. Good dogs, but there are no homes to take them in. Any Pit-type dog that comes into the shelter that is not a complete angel during temperament testing is euthanized. If there are no spots at a rescue available, Pit puppies go too. And this is at a well-funded, fairly progressive shelter. (BTW, this is considered "no kill" behavior. If the dog is determined to be "untreatable," euthanizing them is OK under "no kill.")

I care less about bites stats and more about the number of dogs euthanized every day. For the good of these dogs, in my mind at the very least, it makes sense to enforce absolute spay/neuter laws and mandatory special licensing laws. Ban the type even? Maybe. Why? Because I've seen too many piles of dead Pit-type dogs. And the people responsible do not care one bit.

What is the solution?

Education? Yeah, they've been doing that for years.
Outreach? Yup, that too. Free S/N services, free vaccines.
Rescues? Work with dozens of them, most are full. Many can't place the dogs they have fast enough to take on more Pits.
Adoption? Like I said, sweet Pits sit up for adoption for sometimes a year or two before finding a home or going nuts. What kind of life is that? And unlike our overpopulation of Chihuahuas, Pits can't be shipped to Manhattan for quick adoption.

by on 01/02/2012 05:24pm

I whole heartedly support your stance of helping the number of this "type of dog"...however, I guess I am confused as to how a ban of the breed would help. For example, in 1993 Denmark enacted an all out ban on "pitbull type dogs". In 2009, they did a study to determine the efficacy of the ban and found that not only had dog bites increased 43% but that the number of this "type of dog" that was being euthanized in shelters had more than doubled. Needless to say they have since repealed the ban.

I agree with you, in that many of the things people taut as solutions have been tried (some for years) with little to no change. However, what needs to be done is not breed specific at all....we need to have something more along the lines of Calgary's "Responsible Pet Owner Bylaws" which hold the PEOPLE responsible for their dogs actions, makes spaying and neutering more accessible (although I agree with you, there is a lot done on this front already) with licensing fees significantly higher for unaltered dogs (which are statistically involved in 70-75% of dog bites), and restricts the amount of time that a dog can be tethered. I know in the town that I live in they are also in the process of enacting legislation that can label an owner as "reckless" if their dog is un-licensed, un-restrained, or another other "reckless" action (there are more specifics listed, its just a long list). This potential legislation also allows dogs to be deemed as "potentially dangerous" and then have an entirely new set of restrictions like being on leash or in a fenced yard as all times (some cases with a person of 18 years or older), some cases being muzzled in public, etc. On top of that a dog can also be deemed "dangerous" with even stricter restrictions being in place. The reason I support this legislation is because it explicitly says the judgement on rather a dog is "dangerous", "potentially dangerous" or none the above can not be based off of breed alone.

The solution lies not in the animals and the banning of them, but in the people. Holding people responsible for the care and maintenance of their animal. Continuing to teach people that pet ownership is not something to take on lightly or on a whim...it is something that is a 10+ year commitment to socialization, training, and healthcare. Finally, continuing to crack down on animal cruelty and related issues (like dog fighting) which lead to unstable (and thus unadoptable) dogs.

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by on 01/02/2012 03:21pm

Thanks for this comment. A good dose of reality check.

Terrierman has blogged about the stupendous number of pits killed in shelters. And what about the genetic factor he talks about? Pits were first created with aggressive traits in them, were they not? Genes are not everything, but they are not to be totally dismissed either.

Pits that go to vets must have owners who love and train them. There must be a lot of pits that never go near a vet.

by on 01/02/2012 03:26pm

A vast majority of "aggressive" pitbulls are also never licensed...because (unfortunately) the people that want an "aggressive" dog don't care much about its health, mental soundness, implications of owning a dog, or any other truly pet related issue. HOWEVER, just because a breed attracts yucky people does not make the breed "bad", and that is what people need to keep in mind, banning the breed will not help relieve it from the people who already don't give a hoot about the dog, much less the legality of owning that dog. These are the people that are the problem, not the people who own sound, well mannered dogs who are actually affected by breed specific legislation.

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get educated
by on 01/02/2012 04:13pm

in all my 55 years i have never met a pit bull that was mean from berth,this is one of the gentlest breeds that there is,i cant believe the law makers of Colorado they are as mislead as the public before making these laws Colorado get educated first you are,making a very poor judgment on this most gentle breed.if anything this breed should be praised,for its bravery,as it was the most decorated 'WAR DOG'1917--- 1927 and that is to date,this is one of the most ridiculous laws that i have ever heard off and it should be changed,if you see an aggressive pit bull first look at the owner and then you will find the true problem.you law makers should be ashamed of yourselfs.

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by on 01/02/2012 04:15pm

Thanks for this post since it is a subject close to my heart.We have three dogs,one is a shelter dog and two are foster "failures".The shelter dog is 15 y/o shep/mix and the other two are a pit/bulldog and a Rottweiler.

We had about 20 people of all ages meet our dogs two days ago at the park.Everyone commented on how sweet and well behaved they were. I make sure to tell people their rescue story and that we did a lot of training and how important it is.The Rott was fear aggressive and we did 10 months of pro training with him and now he gives kisses all the time.I always thank people for wanting to meet our boys since most are intimidated.

I work rescue and we do several "haydays' to provide,hay and doghouses and cold weather tips for dog owners.Many of these dogs are pitbulls and mixes and are totally unsocialized, but with kind words and treats,most can be approached.We are trying to pass an ordinance here in Nashville to make it unlawful to tether a dog 24 hours a day.One of our arguements is that an unsocialized dog is much more likely to kill or maim a child.

by on 01/04/2012 12:50pm

I live in Nashville... is there anything I can do to help support this ordinance? I agree that chained dogs are more likely to harm other people and animals. I have been trying to educate my neighbors about this... they have a dog that has been chained for 24 hours a day for over 3 years.

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by on 01/02/2012 05:52pm

I have yet to see any 'Anti-Pit' legislation which does more than appeal to those who fear pits. They seem not to realize that the definitions/means of identification described in the bills can easily be applied to other than any pit type dog. Example, an Oklahoma town had a law meant to ban pits. They described a pit as a short haired dog. Then there is a problem of who is qualified to determine if a dog is a pit. I had a brindle Great Dane with natural ears. He weighed 165 pounds and was 36" at the withers. He was identified as a pit bull. Go figure.

I always remember a vet telling me about a dog who 99.9999% of the population would id as a Lab. The vet knew the 'parents'. Neither was a Lab.

People who are clueless about genetics should not be involved in the making of judgements based on genetics.

by on 01/03/2012 07:08am

I agree. This is uninformed lawmakers exhibiting knee-jerk legislation.

If you have not seen how bills become law ( & I do not mean Schoolhouse Rock) , you should speak with your reps. I took a legislative process course in law school & it is infuriating that dogs can be banned based on this process.

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by on 01/02/2012 07:15pm

As an owner of a Therapy Dog I feel I am confident in saying, there are NO bad dogs.....ONLY bad owners!

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Some dogs dont let go
by on 01/02/2012 08:16pm

In the 3-year period from 2006-2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all fatal attacks. Combined, pit bulls and Rottweilers accounted for 73% of of deaths. I have practiced veterinary medicine for 32 years and I believe that political correctness jeopardizes the credibility of our profession. Every veterinarian knows that some breeds have more aggressive tendencies than other breeds. Look at the statistics on www.dogsbite.org I have never seen a dog win a fight against a pit bull that was not a pit bull. The damage to tissue when they lock on is horrendous. May all of the pit bull apologists never have the misfortune to have a family member attacked. They crush bone and all soft tissue attached. Most other dogs bite and release.


by on 01/02/2012 10:10pm

I have a MAJOR problem with the dogbite site you reference. In looking at the site, this is a site on a mission who collect and massage their data. The data is NOT official government data. Close inspection of their numbers would indicate someone is lacking in mathematical deduction. As an example: "Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. " The source of their data: "Information for this report was gathered through media accounts that were available at the time of the attack or found through Internet archives, including: Google News Archive and AccessMyLibrary." There is no accountability for the statistics and no accountability the dogs were correctly identified or the accuracy of the information.

Lets put the situation into some perspective. CDC estimates there are 4.5 million dog bites per year. According to dogsbite.org, in the three year period from 2006 to 2008, there were 88 deaths from dog bites in the U.S. Divide the 88 by 3 for average bite deaths per year. Now divide that number by the number of dog bites. In no place do they provide any estimate of the total number of pit bulls in the U.S. This organization emphasizes 59% of the fatal dog bites were pit bulls. How many non-dog-knowledgable people are going to stop and think that 59% translates into 52 dogs over a 3 year period .... or a smidge over one fatality/per state over three years. I am in no way trying to or wishing to excuse any death or injury from a dog bite -- but come on. Putting out the fear propaganda this site does is a public disservice.

The CDC, which does collect data on dog bites, states: "To reduce the number of dog bite--related injuries, adults and children should be educated about bite prevention, and persons with canine pets should practice responsible pet ownership." [url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5226a1.htm#box[/url]

Sadly, dogsbite.org puts its empahsis on legislation and fear. They use partial data to support broad assumptions. There is NO promotion of the education of owners, adults, or children.

by on 01/03/2012 12:29am

Whoa now! There are a lot of factual sources (one being the AVMA) that have information on dog bites, yet you chose dogsbite.org? That is possibly the single most biased bite information site I have ever come across (and that was before I even picked one side or the other in college!).

You say that dogsbite.org says 73% of dog bite related fatalities are attributed to Rottweilers or Pitbulls...well the AVMA study showed that 70-75% of ALL dog bites (rather fatal or not) were attributed to un-altered male dogs. On top of that, a study done by the National Canine Research Council showed (for example) in 2009 that of 15 fatal attacks that were supposedly from a "Pitbull" only 2 could be confirmed as such by an expert (of 3 attributed to Rottweilers, 2 could be confirmed). You can not simply go off of what a person (who is under duress post dog bite no less)thinks the dog "maybe looked like" or "maybe was" and call it a fact. This study also analyzes many other facets of the dogs involved like if they were an indoor, household pet versus a dog that was chained in a yard for 24hrs a day...these things need to be factored in when there is a discussion of dog bites, especially in relation to fatalities. There is a significant difference between a well maintained, household pet animal and an outdoor, unsocialized animal.

Again, identification of a "pitbull type dog" is notoriously faulty, so when dogsbite.org says they use media accounts for their statistics that should be a red flag to anyone reading that this information is neither proven nor credible. Oh, and a study performed by the AVMA also showed that pitbulls were no more likely to "not let go" when involved in an attack than another other breed of dog.

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AMER PIT BULL TERRIERS
by on 01/03/2012 01:40am

I am 73yrs old and have had an APBT Spayed Female for 10yrs.. Since she was 9wks. old. She is the best dog I have ever had, and if I'd have known of Pits 50yrs ago, I would not have ever had another breed. They are the most wonderful animals ever.
However, when I got her I'd heard of all the hype, so I read-up on them really careful. So I made sure she was totally socialized; with kids, other dogs, cats, and oh yes people; men and woman. I also made sure that I trained her to listen. I was very careful not to scream, yell, or let anyone play with her that would abuse her. She is beautifuly leash trained. And, to "protect" her, she never goes out without a leash, and the 3 places I've moved to have all been fenced with a good sized yard for her. I'm careful to watch her in the yard-Don't trust that someone won't steal her. If you have a car she'll be happy to go with you.
She is truly an awesome dog. I got her at a shelter, so we know nothing of her heritage, her mother was a stray. She is a red-nose, reddish brindle. Gorgeous! I don't expect her to be a guard dog. She loves people too much. She loved to play with Shelties, and a Maltese that weighed 7lbs.(she weighs 60lbs.) I would have 100 more APBT's if I could afford them. LOL! She also lives with 2 cats. One of which lets her no who is boss of the house-the cat. She just backs away or woofs quietly for me to rescue her from the cat.

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Some dogs don't let go 2
by on 01/03/2012 06:53am

I have seen the result of dog bites and pit bull attacks. I have seen a fathers German Shepherd killed by his visiting sons pit bull. They broke both shoulder blades of the pit with a cinder block after beating it over the head with a barrel cactus to make it release. I have seen a pit bull attacked by his housemate pit who was presented with a front leg that was hanging by skin and muscle. The humerus bone was crushed. I do not know the answer because many pits are sweet, but I do know that we must admit that when they attack, the results are tragic and we do not know what will set a dog off in many situations. As for the AVMA, their stated position remains that pets are legally property. They promote the human animal bond to encourage pet owners to spend ever increasing sums for veterinary care, but believe that a pet owner whose pet is killed through negligence or malice is only entitled to replacement value. I do not believe that they are an impartial source of information.

by on 01/03/2012 07:13pm

One can always find anecdotal incidents to use as support for ones views. For instance, I can tell you about a chihuahua who was caught chewing off the toes of a baby. As to the German Shepherd being killed by a visiting pit bull. You choose to use this as a "proof" of pit bulls as a bite breed. I could say it is proof of how knowledge of breeds and dog habits and a bit of common sense could have avoided the death of the German Shepherd. Why would anyone be surprised that a fight would break out -- regardless of the breed. Among other things, there is the question of territory ownership. Both observations are anecdotal and prove nothing.

by on 01/03/2012 07:34pm


You said: "As for the AVMA, their stated position remains that pets are legally property. They promote the human animal bond to encourage pet owners to spend ever increasing sums for veterinary care, but believe that a pet owner whose pet is killed through negligence or malice is only entitled to replacement value. I do not believe that they are an impartial source of information."

Let me ask you a question. Do you feel the CDC statistical data on dog bites is biased and not to be believed? I ask because the statistical source for the AVMA is CDC.

I do note that you have avoided to respond to the postsings bothered by the source for the so-called truths proclaimed by the dogbites.org site. This site states "DogsBite.org is a public education website about dangerous dogs -- specifically pit bull type dogs.1 We are the only website dedicated to putting the safety of humans before dogs, as we are the only source of information on this topic that is not owned, controlled, or funded by pit bull breeders, owners, veterinarian or animal welfare groups."

This site is for a Pit bull ban, mandatory spay/neuter, etc. Negative enforcement. Any problems are those of the breed. I find it sad that a vet would promote such a site. I would hope vets would take the road of urging people to research the breeds they think they want and to pick the source of their dog carefully. People too often make the 'puppy decision' on impulse and, if they find they have made a mistake, have no problem disposing of the dog.

We should NOT be banning breeds for the misguided actions of humans!

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pit bulls
by on 01/03/2012 11:51am

i think that if the authorities would bother to check, they would find that most of the pit bull attacks are from dogs that have been improperly trained to protect their owners or property, but they are not trained to reconise the difference of wher they are allowed to protect, then when they get out they are out of control and end up attacking other animals or people

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I'm confused
by on 01/03/2012 03:05pm

I'm confused. When I was looking to adopt a new dog after the death of my elderly husky-collie-chow-chow mix, many, many rescues were very up front about how several breeds had very breed-specific behaviors/traits to consider:

- Huskies will run and need a fenced yard and can never be off-leash in open spaces, no exceptions.

- Border collies/aussies/collies will herd and need lots of exercise.

- Great Pyrenees will roam, so never let them off-leash, no exceptions.

This went on and on and on... My own dog exhibited very breed-specific traits for his mix: He loved to run away given the chance like huskies. He was a one-family/person dog like most chows.

I'm not a proponent of breed bands, and I have met many great pitbulls. (I live next to one.) But I'm confused that when it comes to pitbulls, the breed history is disregarded as a factor in current breed behavior but in many other breeds (like the ones I listed), breed history is always/regularly cited as a factor in current breed behavior. Why the disparity?

No rescues I looked at said you could train a herding dog not to herd, a husky to stay put, etc...

by on 01/03/2012 08:05pm

I don't know what rescue you spoke to about pit bulls. I clicked on a few of Pit Bull rescue sites I found on a Google search. Each referenced that pit bulls can be aggressive and stressed the importance of obedience training and socialization. These are a must for any of the strong minded dogs. I am not certain what you are looking for. All dogs are capable of biting -- even "good dogs". This is a complex subject. There are many reasons and many signs. Too often the two legged animal is ignorant of signals they are sending and signals they are not reading.


Personally, I have broad knowledge only on Dane rescues. All the "good" rescues do an in-depth interview in an effort to find out if the person knows what they are getting into and is aware of the negatives as well as the positives. Sadly, there are rescues who pass themselves off as breed rescues but do no qualification of a potential adopter. 'Tis wise to do as much reading about a breed and, if one opts to adopt, do some research on the breed rescues. One can always get help from the breed organization -- in my case GDCA.org (Great Dane Club of America)

by on 01/04/2012 01:44pm

Part of it (to me any way) is that people arent looking at the entire history of the breed. They think "dog fighting" and think that aggression (particularly towards people) is then a product of that.

The first versions of American Pitbull Terriers were used as all around farm dogs. They (much like old-school Rotties) were used to pull, to herd, to protect, etc. Because of their value to the family, they needed to be able to interact with children and family members and be steadfast in their dedication to their owners with the ability to learn quickly. A loss of this dog would be devastating to the farmers who owned them, so human aggression was absolutely unacceptable.

When dogfighting became popular, these farm dogs were one of the breeds selected because of their tenacity (they are terriers remember) but also because they would do nearly anything to please their owners. This dedication to their "people" made them easier to train, but also meant even the most vicious dog could be handled by its trainer without fear. Remember, even dog fighters (especially in those early days) had to be able to handle their dogs to manage their wounds, as much as train and fight them. Even in this form, human aggression was absolutely not allowed.

One side note before I conclude, is that many people believe the name "pitbull" comes from fighting in the "pits" against other dogs, but research suggests that it actually comes from a time with the dogs were used to hunt rats. They would be placed in a "pit" with rats and tasked with killing as many rats as possible. Im not going to say that this is truly where the name "pitbull" came from, but just an interesting side note.

In conclusion, I can see how dog aggression could be a possibility based off of the breeds history. However, like many breeds, reputable breeders have been working for years (if not decades) to make their dogs sound family pets who can interact with all manner of animals. That being said, while dog aggression was acceptable in the breed for period of time, human aggression has never been. So to say that it is the history of the breed that makes them human aggressive is simply not true.

by on 01/04/2012 03:34pm

I think you'll find that most rescues want to set people straight on the issue of "Human Aggression". That is completely out of trait for the breed and highly unusual when the dog is raised as a family pet. They are big powerful terriers and like most terriers, bred to kill something. Instead of badgers or rats, it happens to be other dogs. Which, by the way, you CAN train them not to do but you can't ever trust them 100%. Training them not to do something is different than training them not to WANT to do something. That can only expire and not be trained away. My rescued male was a complete cat killer when I got him. He now ignores my cats and no longer triggers on strange cats. I would NEVER let him off leash in the presence of a cat that may run and feel confident he will recall (or course he doesn't go off leash anyway). Training is a very important for any breed for both the animal and the owners.

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Apologists
by on 01/04/2012 08:55am

And guns do not kill people, people kill people. Same argument and innocent victims are killed daily because we as a society protect the rights of morons. Whether the quoted site is 100% correct or not, no problem is ever solved unless objective people can see both sides. Apologists will not look at the other side of the issue. Have you spoken to anyone who has been a victim of a pit bull attack? How would you feel if your mother was walking in her neighborhood and she was killed by a pit bull who was roaming. I am sorry, but I own Labrador Retrievers who I have trained since they were pupies, and I know that they would not harm a fly. Some people want aggressive dogs and I recommend martial arts training. They should not live vicariously through their dog!

by on 01/04/2012 10:56am

Labrador Retrievers... what about the Lab that killed a baby in Tulsa or the Lab that bit a child in El Paso?

ALL dogs will bite in the right circumstances. We had kids who lived behind our home who would poke sticks at our dogs through our chain link fence and put their hands through the fence. I asked them to stop and they did...until the next day. So I had a 6ft privacy fence installed to protect them...and my dogs. And at that time I only had Beagles and they were well socialized and trained and "would not harm a fly"... under normal cirumstances. Dogs will protect their territory and will react when kids poke sticks at them.

Now I have a Jack Russell and an American Pit Bull Terrier - and I have more trouble getting the Jack Russell to let go when she bites a toy than I do the Pit Bull.

by on 01/04/2012 11:53am

Are you saying that anyone who is opposed to banning a "breed" or Breed type is an apologist? Does it make you feel more righteous because you preach ban the sinners and move on with nary a mention on how such could be done? Do you damn all because of a relatively small percentage of dogs who have killed? Yes, a death is bad.But how does condemning all make up for the bad one? Since any dog can do damage, should we ban all dogs? .... Why not ban cars? More people get killed in car crashes than by dogs and guns added together. Personal responsibility cannot be legislated. Even a stingent dictator cannot control all.

by on 01/04/2012 01:53pm

My best friend had her face ripped off by a Bloodhound (a family pet no less), so by your logic if I say that Bloodhounds are vicious and need to be banned it must be true. (For the record, I dont feel that way at all...it was a poorly trained dog).

I just dont understand how you can say that dogsbite.org is a reputable source, but the very association with which your profession resides (much less the CDC where the statistics came from) is not a reputable source.

I would be more than willing to see you side of the story (and for the record I have chatted with many "attack victims" while researching a paper I was writing). My issue is that you (and most people who support breed bans) can not give me any factual, reliable support for your stance. Bite statistics are faulty (for a number of reason like identification), personal stories are not exactly hard evidence, and the website you've referenced is biased at best. So what hard proof do you have to support your stance? I am more than willing to hear it.

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Personal Experience
by on 01/04/2012 03:39pm

My personal experience as a trainer who's focus is behavior modification is that Pit Bulls have very good nerve strength and confidence so they don't "fear bite". In all my years I've only been bitten 4 times. 3 times they were labs, and the fourth was a golden mix and I've worked with nearly as many bully breed dogs as labs.

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by on 01/31/2012 04:05pm

So sad. I recently read a story of a soap opera star who committed suicide when he was forced to euthanize his pit bull due to his apartment complex cracking down on his breed (pitbulls). It was so heartbreaking as odds are this particular dog was just as well behaved as the non-pitbull breeds. I most certainly agree with the headline of this article.

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