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Do Pets Need to Share in the Death of Another?

May 09, 2011 / (51) comments


Last week’s house call was like so many others before it: An old dog in the last throes of a terminal illness was ready to call it a life. Friends and family had assembled to commingle their tears while the veterinarian knelt on the floor for the last solemn rites. Finally it came time for the household’s myriad pets — who had absconded for the occasion — to say their goodbyes, too.
 

But wait, some of you are saying, rewind that last bit. Do pets really have to say goodbye when their fellow housemate dies?

I don’t pretend to know the answer to that one. But I’ve had plenty cause to wonder at how strongly some owners hold fast to the belief that pets must acknowledge the death of another before moving on with their lives. It’s a question that I often receive during in-hospital euthanasia and one reason clients cite for preferring an at-home service ... or even for taking the body home for a "viewing" by the entire household.

Here’s where I confess: This notion, tenaciously held as it is by such a large percentage of pet owners, baffles me more than a little. No doubt because I don’t subscribe to it myself. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have my theories.

a) That humans would anthropomorphize grief makes lots of sense to me — especially given that some species do overtly grieve, as when elephants tarry mournfully over the bones of their dead.

b) There’s an almost overpowering human need to share in the death of a loved one. Sharing it with the other significant members of the household, then, would only make sense, whether they believe the animals understand it or not.

c) Our understanding of the grieving process has come a long way since Elisabeth Kübler-Ross’s seminal book, On Death and Dying was published in 1969. It’s no wonder that many of us now hope to make that process easier for the animals in our household by initiating the grieving process at one point in time rather than allow animals to languish in the wondering stage ... "Where did my buddy go?"

I get it, but I can’t help thinking it’s a stressful thing for pets to experience at the time of a house call. I see pets shake and shiver — doubtless because (a) they recognize me or my aroma, and (b) everyone is acting absolutely strangely — and yet many owners still persist. Yes, I’ve even seen owners put treats on the dead animal’s bedding to entice others to come forward and acknowledge the death.

Under less stressful circumstances it makes a lot more sense. But I still wonder whether our household pets are capable of understanding the scenario the way we’d like to think they do.

So here’s where I get to ask: What do you believe?

 

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Pic of the day: Sad dog by Jenny Poole

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COMMENTS (51)
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RESPONSE TO ARTICLE
by on 05/09/2011 12:37am

I HAVE BEEN A VETERINARY TECHNICIAN/RVT FOR 33 YEARS. I HAVE FOUND WITH MY OWN PETS, WITH THE HOME EUTHANASIAS THAT I HAVE DONE AND ASSISTED WITH, AND WITH OWNERS THAT BRING THEIR OTHER ANIMALS WITH THEM TO THE OFFICE WHEN A PET IS EUTHANIZED, THAT WHEN A PET IS PRESENT AT THE EUTHANASIA OF ANOTHER ANIMAL IN THE FAMILY THAT IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SNIFF AND/OR LIE NEXT TO THE OTHER PET AFTER IT HAS DIED THAT THEY DO NOT GO AROUND THE HOUSE LOOKING FOR THE PET LIKE I HAVE HEARD OF SO MANY ANIMALS DOING. I BELIEVE IN IT SO MUCH THAT I HAVE PUT IN MY WILL TO LET MY ANIMALS THAT I HAVE AT THE TIME OF MY DEATH SNIFF MY DEAD BODY SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT I AM DEAD SO THAT THEY WILL NOT LOOK FOR ME AND THINK THAT I HAVE ABANDONED THEM ON PURPOSE.

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pets need to know
by on 05/09/2011 12:50am

I too sincerely believe that our animals need to know when a house-mate dies. When our first dog died, our second dog was lost for weeks. She never had the oppertunity to see his body. When the second dog, Gracie Anne, died, the third dog, Murphy got to see the body. We brought Gracie Anne's body home so Murphy could see her before we took her out to land we own to bury her. We have another dog also, who didn't get to see Gracie Anne's body. The Big Dog knew Gracie Anne left in the truck, and he kept trying to look in the truck to see if she was there. Murphy did not, he got to see her body. We felt it was more important for Murphy to know because Murphy acted like he was her dog, not ours. The other dog never seemed to care about Gracie Anne. I wish I would've let the Big Dog see her too.

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Depends on the pet....
by on 05/09/2011 12:57am

I believe that it depends on the pet. I have heard of pets grieving their fellow companion to the point that they too die soon afterwards (from what has been reported as overt grief) AND I have seen other pets not to seem to have any concern at all with the newly deceased "fellow housemate." Just a few months ago, my little 19 year old Papillon was helped to the Bridge. I brought home her body so as to bury her naturally sans plastic bag, and asked my other two dogs to come over to where she lay. My little male Papillon, her long term companion for the last 10 years took a sniff and walked away, & my younger dog (a 2 year old rescue whose had 1 year in my household) had no desire at all to check her out. Both have showed no interest in looking for her & show no signs that they miss her.

On the other hand, I have had a few friends whose dogs died at their vet clinics. Whether the death was from old age or it was from something unexpected, so that they never came home at all, my friends have reported their other pets have looked and looked for the missing housemate and have acted sad & depressed for months afterwards.

That is one of the reasons I did want my dogs to check out my little girl's deceased form...since I had the opportunity to be her "undertaker" it made sense,just in case, for them to know where she went. So even though my own dogs did not seem to need to experience my old girl's passing, I think I will always want the surviving dog(s) to have the opportunity to check out the deceased dog. You just never know if your dog will be the one to be the mourning kind.

by on 05/09/2011 02:01pm

I think you sum it up perfectly! While it doesn't seem that every pet cares whether they are allowed the opportunity to see the corpse, some really seem to. So why not let your animal have the chance in case it means something to him/her?

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Pet Grieving
by on 05/09/2011 12:57am

Although I haven't had a dog die, my friends have taken a dog to be euthanized, and the other quits eating, wonders around, cries, sleeps in the other dog's bed.....
My experiences with puppies leaving for their forever homes is similar. The other dogs need to say goodbye, especially Mom. If they don't, they act strangely even when I take one or two with me to run an errand. They seem to think if one of their own leaves, they won't come back. I once took a puppy to the vet, and came home without it. The Mom went nuts for about a week and a half, looking for that baby, crying, and looking at me seemingly saying, "Where's my baby? What did you do with my baby? Give me back my baby."
After one leaves and doesn't come back, the others won't follow me to the door as if to say, "You aren't taking me away forever." This is strange as they usually beat me to the door.
Their senses are so much stronger than ours. They sense danger and storms. I pay close attention to what they try to tell me.
I agree that the "rituals" a group of humans might enact over the death of a beloved pet, along with all the emotions in the house, could frighten and confuse the other pets. I think they would do very well to conduct a very private passing, showing the others that their buddy has died.
Maybe it would be a good idea to take control and tell clients that you do home euthanasias with immediate family only, and that "services" and human "rituals" are not good for the other pets, so it will be a very simple procedure of letting the other dogs say goodbye, euthanizing the one and showing the others that their buddy has died.

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Losing A Critter
by on 05/09/2011 02:07am

This is a very sad subject for me as I lost my Darlene just 3 weeks ago. Losing her entailed an emergency trip to the doctor ~ Darlene left in the carrier and never came home. Leaving in the carrier was nothing unusual, though, because she went to the doctor so often.

I note that the previous comments are about dogs and my experience is with kitties. It would be expected that the experiences would be different for dog people vs. cat people.

It broke my heart to lose Darlene and I confess that it hurt a little that none of the feline herd seemed to notice that she was no longer here. I do think that they reacted to my sadness. A couple who were not previously overly affectionate are now "Velcro Cats". I don't know if they're taking advantage of a now vacant lap or if it's their way of trying to comfort me.

It has not been my experience with cats that they really pay much attention when one of the herd is no longer there. In the case of one kitty that was particularly ill-tempered, there might have been a brief collective sigh of relief from the rest when Sylvia Rose was no longer there to spew hatred at anyone or anything that was within hearing distance, but that's about it.

It will be interesting to hear if any of the other cat people have had different experiences.

by on 05/09/2011 01:25pm

It may be because dogs are more pack oriented and cats are more independent. One of my cats got out and was gone for a couple of days - none of the others seemed to care or miss him.

by on 05/11/2011 12:15am

A few years ago, one of my cats suddenly collapsed and died while another of my cats watched. Those two were the best of friends, and the surviving cat was affected for weeks. He seemed to be depressed, to put human descriptors on it, but our 2 other cats didn't seem affected at all. So yes, I think it's possible for cats to be saddened by the loss of another in the household, but as with everything, how they respond will vary between individuals.

by on 06/08/2011 04:26pm

This is what I believe, too. Cats DO grieve, whether they lose their owner or a companion cat. It really DOES depend on the inviduals, though.

I lost my Aria back in 2009, and it didn't seem like any of the others care much. In 2007, I lost my very elderly cat, and his companion, now about 19 years old, still wanders around and cries from time to time. Sometimes, I think she's looking for him, and sometimes, we chalk it up to dementia.

Now, I'm watching my cats' interactions, and that is what will deterimine whether I bring any home. I never even thought about this until the comments that prompted this post from Dr. K, but now I see where it can be a good thing, if a bit morbid.

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A veterinarian's view
by on 05/09/2011 02:29am

Taking the dictionary definition as “great sorrow and unhappiness, especially at someone’s death”, there’s no doubt that some pet animals display grief, but in my professional experience it only seems to happen rarely. I know many animals that have happily carried on as if nothing has happened when a doting owner or housemate has passed away. In fact, many animals don’t even seem to notice when death has taken place. When I euthanase an animal in a multi-pet household, I’ll often let the rest of the animals view the inert body afterwards, in the hope that this might give them some awareness about what has happened to their housemate. I’m usually disappointed at the lack of any demonstrable reaction; most dogs barely glance at the motionless form of their friend before carrying on as normal. I still have a sense that this is worth doing, in the hope that some type of awareness of what’s happened may filter through to their consciousness, and prevent subsequent pining. But if I was to fill in a score card, marking the animals’ grief reactions from one to ten, they’d almost all be at the bottom of the range. Having said that, there’s no doubt that there are other, rarer, cases where animals do seem to suffer serious distress after a fellow housemate has died.

by on 05/16/2011 08:58pm

I suspect that it varies from animal to animal as well. When I lost an elderly cat to renal failure a number of years ago, each of her housemates responded differently.

One cat immediately usurped all of Alex's belongings and favorite places. (He actually did this while she was hospitalized shortly before the euthanasia occurred, and was irate when she reappeared the night before.) They had been fairly close when she was healthy, but when her time came, all this cat cared about was her possessions and territory.

The second cat had always expressed concern when Alex had issues in the past, but he seemed to be aware that this was it, and began to avoid her in the weeks before her death. When it finally happened, he was indifferent- it was as if he'd already written her off.

The third cat and Alex had been inseparable. (We'd adopted her a few years earlier as a confident, friendly, maternal buddy for him when he- then a petrified and destructive feral kitten- had some trouble adjusting to the indoor life. It was love at first sight.) He did not take it well, and spent months yowling and searching for her. He did not seem to grasp, as the other two had, that she'd been unwell. In the end, he became clingy with me in the same ways he'd once been with her, and started exhibiting many of her behaviors (extreme sociability, vocalization, attempting to lick people to death, etc.). It almost felt as though we'd lost him and she'd returned. He was definitely impacted by the loss. I don't know whether or not seeing the body would have helped.

Last year, I took in another feral with a temperament very similar to Alex's, and the two of them bonded immediately. I've noticed that he seems much happier and doesn't mimic her the way that he used to.

by on 06/08/2011 04:31pm

I know that animals know what death is, and I think that maybe sometimes what we see as indifference to a pet's death is actually just the fact that they knew what happened and had accepted it.

I guess, like for people, it's harder when a group or a pair have bonded.

That's why I've been so conflicted on this issue, and to be honest, I'm not sure my boyfriend would LET me bring a dead pet home.

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Sharing death
by on 05/09/2011 02:33am

I can't speak to anyone else's experience, but when our poodle sick, his "sister" with whom he had not spent a night apart for seven years was involved in every aspect of his treatment and attended all the vet visits. When he was finally ready to move on, we took Hope with us. And while she wasn't actively involved in the process, she did sniff his body a number of times and then sat in my lap and just looked at him.
I believe that what she knew was that he was dead and not coming home with us. I had heard too many stories of animals desperately looking for their "friends" and I didn't want her to have that experience. Instead I had a very sad dog for a number of months but she wasn't frantic or anxious about where her Buddy was. She was just sad without him.

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I think they should but..
by on 05/09/2011 02:48am

I think the context in which their 'goodbyes' occur is important. I find the idea of having a pet witness the euthanasia of another rather disturbing but I would feel differently if the pet witnessed a natural death. There's something about witnessing the induced death of another that causes me to believe that some more sensitive animals might be quite unsettled.

Some will say that animals are incapable of making those connections, but I've seen animals do some unbelievable things. I'm not saying they think or feel the way we do, but I believe we underestimate their emotional intelligence. (Yes, there are lots of animals who could care less, but there are many who are moved deeply by others.

When I was young, one of my three cats went to the vet and didn't come back. The reactions of the other two were remarkably different. One didn't seem to notice while the other wandered the house crying for more than a month.

I recently had to euthanize my beloved 15 yr. old cat, Ross. We had 5 other cats at the time, including one cat who had 'raised' him from a kitten. We brought Ross home in a shallow box, set him in the living room (box open) and waited. Over the course of 45 minutes, all had (cautiously, at first) sniffed, investigated and moved on. Once everyone had seen him, we took him back to the vet.

DId it make a difference? I don't know. I do know that not a single one of our remaining cats roamed the house looking for him.

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My Experience
by on 05/09/2011 06:21am

While I don't think it is a good idea to have the other furkids actually watch the process, I think for some it is very important for them to understand their friend is gone. Some may not notice, but there are others that do.

Three years ago this coming July, I gave flea treatments to my seven cats--24 hours later, four were gone and the other three hospitalized. Things were definitely different when they returned home--as is expected when over half of them didn't come back. Two of them seemed to fare fine--but that wasn't the case with my Caramel.

Caramel spent 2-3 months wandering through the house calling the others. This is a normally quiet kitty, and her cries were so heartbreaking. When she wasn't wandering, she was staring at the door they had been taken out.

That's when a behavior started that lasts to this very day--she will watch out the window and any cat she sees, she gets frantic, meowing, scratching on the glass, looking at me and back at them. When I take the dog out for his walks (and she is not exactly fond of Sam) she watches out the window and has to sniff him when we come back in--then she'll settle.

I tried so hard to make her understand, and I believe if she had been able to see them after they died, she would have had a better understanding.

Maybe 9 furkids out of ten won't show any signs of caring--but it is that one, and you can never tell in advance which one it will be, that is bothered that needs some type of closure.

by on 05/09/2011 07:00am

I'm so sorry you had such a heartbreaking experience, JoyceAnthony. It's beyond comprehension how awful that was for you.

I've got to ask, though, do you know what happened? Was it the product itself that caused the problem? If so, was it a product from the vet or was an the over-the-counter product? Was this terrible outcome reported to the company?

by on 05/09/2011 07:44am

I used Hartz flea medication (the little tubes) and whe I arrived at the vet's office, he said "Let me guess, you used Hartz?". I have used nothing except Advantage since then.

by on 05/09/2011 07:05pm

That's just horrible. Losing so many and having the others get so sick had to be terrifying.

It sounds like the vet was already familiar with bad outcomes from that product.

Hopefully it was reported it to the proper regulatory agency and your awful experience can keep someone else from going through the same thing.

by on 06/08/2011 04:40pm

I am really, really sorry your family went through that! My heart just breaks for you and for your remaining kitties!

That is devastating. :(

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by on 05/09/2011 07:00am

I don't think animals feel grief in the way we do, and I am certain they don't fear death.

I do think they understand death, albeit differently and on solely practical terms. When I euthanize a horse, I allow or even suggest the horse's pasturemates be allowed to investigate the body. Almost all - including mine, when I euthanized one of his buddies a few years ago - will sniff for a minute or two then walk away and go about their business, without calling, pacing, etc. Sometimes watching this helps the owner.

I don't recommend having other horses observe the euthanasia, though sometimes it's not possible to remove them (down horse in a field with a run-in but no barn, etc.). Horses seem to do fine as long as they're allowed to approach on their own terms.

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by on 05/09/2011 08:32am

When my boy became suddenly ill, my girl stayed in the background. He passed away right in the parking lot of the vet's office.

When I got home, things were definitely different with my girl. She just wasn't her old self.

I brought home another greyhound about two months later. Voila!!! My girl is now once again a happy camper.

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Animals and emotions
by on 05/09/2011 09:06am

by pete w on 05/09/2011 02:29am
“most dogs barely glance at the motionless form of their friend before carrying on as normal.”

…………As far as dogs go, don’t forget that their sense of smell greatly outperforms their eyesight. They don’t have to look to know what’s up. It is highly anthropomorphic to expect them to howl, lay down with their head in the corner, or take to their beds to mourn.
http://blogs.dogster.com/vet_blog_information_advice/do-animals-grieve/

I agree with EquineVet. I think they need to know where their housemates went, but don’t necessarily see death as an abnormal event. As TOB points out though, cats are a different story. Yet I laid the body of a euthanized cancer striken cat on the porch so everyone could check her out if they wanted. Not all wanted to get close, but one cat sniffed her close up for a while.

One might be tempted to think reactions of surviving animal members to a death in the pet family are strictly reactions to human emotions, but the people studying/filming the Sawtooth pack (Jim and Jamie Dutcher) have noted 6 weeks of grief following a death.
http://www.livingwithwolves.org/

Who hasn’t seen the PBS special on elephants that show them gently handling the bones of one of their kin a full year later?

This question is just part and parcel of the larger question – do animals have emotions.

Of course they do.

Grief in animals: It's arrogant to think we're the only animals who mourn

Animals and Grief

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Lost of a Pet-Kid
by on 05/09/2011 10:34am

Yes, They feel Love and lost of a Love-one. When Max's Sister had to be put down, at 14, she had a Brain tumor Max, hid all Daisey's Toys never to be found, it's been 2 yrs. now. Daisey never let the younger-ones play with her toys. Max kept her wishes.

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dead v. gone
by on 05/09/2011 10:38am

I keep an organic pack of my own dogs, cats who are also part of the household, and a steady stream of foster dogs (and in the past, cats). My SAR dogs are also cross-trained for human remains detection, and have exposure to both human tissue samples (in training) and whole human corpses (in operations). For the most part they are "textbook" in their response to samples (i.e. they adopt the affect supported by their training -- happy and determined to source the scent) and quite different when they first find a real, whole, deceased human -- somber, serious, puzzled, even quite upset. This is not handler effect. I've observed it when I do not yet know what they have found.

I observed a frank and primal, though momentary, fear response (freezing and defecation while precariously perched on top of the debris pile) when Pip encountered a dead dog in the debris of a house during hurricane Katrina recovery search. She had no such response to dead pigs, turtles, or cats. She has no such response to dead humans -- for which she has training to prepare her.

The animals *absolutely* process the death of a packmate differently than they do one simply "going away." We've had six deaths (three euthanasias, three natural; three dogs, three cats) in the past nineteen years, and scores of "going aways" of pups we've bred and foster animals.

In addition, the dogs and cats are exposed to death because not only do we slaughter poultry here, they themselves are hell on the local rodents

The younger dogs attend the dying elders like solicitous courtiers, with clear awareness of the old one's vulnerability, and the same kind of anxious hovering that one sees in hospices the world over.

When I brought home Eddie's body for burial, the other dogs' response was incredulity. Eddie wasn't dying when we euthanised him, just suffering. As I dug his grave, each dog would keep returning to his body, sniffing, and then staring at me in astonishment, round-eyed and subdued. As with our other deaths, everything was very subdued for some days, followed by weeks or months of reshuffling of social roles, commensurate with the status of the lost pack member.

I don't know whether it was better for them, emotionally, to know that Eddie was dead and had not simply "gone away" like so many others, but I have no doubt that cognitively they grasped it. I have enough respect for them that I believe that the truth is better than a "lie." I also have enough respect for their powers of olfaction to know that they would have known about it anyway the moment I got home.

We don't have these mourning and processing periods following a dog leaving for a new home -- even when he has been a very long-term foster. The most I see is some antsiness from the youngest dog or dogs at the loss of a fun playmate (most of our fosters are young adults). I don't know how much that has to do with the home dogs regarding fosters -- even those who are here for eight or ten months -- as, at best, auxiliaries, and how much has to do with an understanding that the dog has simply gone away. We often see some former fosters who found permanent homes locally, and everyone acts happy but not astonished.

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Whatever Helps!
by on 05/09/2011 10:56am

I believe whatever some may believe that helps them cope with the passing of a beloved family pet is just fine and dandy! Personally, understanding the difference between my three legged soulmate Jerry, and the physical form he embodied made his passing a bit easier when it came time to release him from his broken body.

Many thanks for another thoughtful post with perfect timing. Just yesterday we hosted an at-home pet hospice and euthanasia interview on Tripawd Talk Radio a mobile veterinarian from Tuscon.

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My Opinion
by on 05/09/2011 11:05am

I know animals have emotions, maybe not exactly like ours but they do have them & they feel sickness & death among other emotions. 7 years ago I was very sick & had to have lots of tests, blood draws, etc. I had 5 Chihuahuas at the time. One of them, Tyler was a vigorous licker. Whenever I came home with another needle stick he would very gently lick the spot as if to say "I'll make it better Momma". Then three years ago I broke my leg & had to have surgery. I was virtually bed bound for months. All of those babies slept with me & they were all very careful to not hurt my leg. Unfortunately 2 years ago I lost all of them plus the new puppy that was only 7 months old in an arson fire. I have recovered somewhat from the loss. I now have 9 Chihuahuas not to replace the ones I lost, but because I have that love to give to ones that needed homes. When I die I want them to all be able to view my body so they will know I did not desert them. If God forbid one of them dies before me then all the others will view the body so they know what happened to one of the pack. So yes I believe pets should be able to see the one that has gone on to the Bridge, not necessarily see the euthanasia.

by on 05/10/2011 11:27pm

I am so sorry you had to go through such a horrible scenario with an arson fire. I can't think of anything much worse than losing those you love so needlessly. I thank you for being able to get past it and for giving so many dogs a loving home where they get to be cherished.

Your plans should either one of them die or should you die, are very smart and compassionate.

God Bless you.

by on 06/08/2011 04:49pm

Oh, my gosh! So much sadness in these posts! I'm so sorry about the fire!

I hope whoever did it is/was caught! :(

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DOGS GRIEVING FOR DOGS
by on 05/09/2011 11:15am

Three years ago I had reason to seriously think about this subject. My two dogs that were lifelong companions for 15 years could never be apart. If they were apart, even for brief(as in seconds)periods, both would whine and generally freak out. They had never been apart their entire lives. One morning I awoke to find that Elvis-the male dog had passed away in his sleep. There had been NO warning signs. His geriatric profile tests 3 months before and checkup were all systems go. His female companion was calm and seemed fine. I worried about having to remove the body from the house because I thought that she would freak as she usually does to be away from him, but she was fine. It was then that I realized that she knew what death was. She knew that Elvis was not in that body and that no whining or whimpering on her part was going to help her be reunited with him. She watched us bury Elvis in our pet cemetary and went on to live another eighteen months. I think that being with Elvis when he died was the only way she would have been able to let go of him. I have often wondered if we had taken him to be euthanized at some point if she would have whined and pined forever until she was sick from worry.

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by on 05/09/2011 11:24am

Last year I had to say goodbye to my 15 yr old Elkhound Alex. We decided to do this at home, for many reasons, but one of them was simply because he found the car terrifying and uncomfortable in his final months. At home with us were our 10 yr old Staffordshire Terrier, Duval, who had been Alex's companion for the last 4 years, and our foster puppy, Roo, who was 6 months old and quite fearful of the cranky old dog. Roo clearly had no idea what was going on and was simply excited that people had come to visit her. We had to put her in her crate because she was bouncing around playfully. Duval on the other hand stayed on his dog bed watching from about 10 feet away the entire time. When Alex had passed, we offered for Duval to come over and say his final goodbyes, but one look in his eyes told us he already knew and that it was not necessary.He refused to move. We let Roo out of her crate but she was still afraid of Alex even as he lay motionless. We didn't force either of them to come "sniff." I think just being present was enough for them.

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cat grieved for the dog
by on 05/09/2011 11:38am

when my dog died at the animal hospital the cat did not have a chance to say goodbye. She sat at the top of the stairs & "called" the dog every day. She was cofused, she walked around looking everywhere, when she was frustrated from not finding her best friend she curled up in the closet (their favorite hiding place during thunder storms) and she would stay there for days - if I let her. Not even come out for food. This went on for the 2+ years she was still with us. it broke my heart...

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by on 05/09/2011 11:45am

We had our very old Brittany put to sleep in our home with her friend Scout nearby. We did not have him there on purpose, he just was doing his normal thing hanging out with the pack. Prior to this when we went to the vet he was mister love bug. Several months later when we took him to the vet for a routine visit, he had to be dragged in and would not "talk" to the vet and her assistant (the same ones that came to the house). Took him almost a year to "forgive" them.
What is more interesting, when we brought her cremains home, I absent mindedly put them on the dining room table. When it was time to go to bed, Scout would not come to the bedroom, but we found him lying right next to the table. Could not figure out why for a moment, but when we picked up her container and took into the bedroom, he followed close behind and layed down right next to the dresser where we put the container. Maybe her smell was on the container, or maybe he knew, but there were definitely feelings on his part. How do we know people grieve? They cry or talk about it. How do we know that animals don't grieve when we do not know their language? I think they do.

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Article pets on death
by on 05/09/2011 12:43pm

Dr. Patty, I've enjoyed your pet blog so much!
I will share a short story on how I arrived at my opinion on if animals should experience the dead body of a buddy.

I've had cats most of my life and the first time we dealt with death was when we had to put down our sweet older kitty, Hava. We took her away to the vet, parted tearfully and didn't come home with her body. Our younger cat, Chelsea, who had grown up with Hava was beside himself looking for her , sniffing the old familiar places, appetite decreased dramatically and the vet said he was distressed over not finding Hava and prescribed Librium for a short while to calm him and that got him eating again. I vowed I'd never do that again.

So when Chelsea's time came, there was little Harvey who would be left behind. We took Chelsea to the vet (oh these things are so profoundly devastating to the family, aren't they?) and then brought his body back in order to bury in the back yard. We set the little box down on the kitchen floor and let Harvey discover it, sniff if and realize it was Chelsea. Unbelievably, Harvey was OK -- although he was clearly subdued for days after the , he was, not panicked or stressed out liked Chelsea had been.

We have done this twice since. and each time has seemed to ease the situation -- nothing broke my heart like the first time, when I couldn't explain to Chelsea what had happened to Hava as he cried throughout the house looking for her.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Keep up your excellent work.
Sincerely,
TWC

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Dog grieved for human
by on 05/09/2011 01:35pm

My parents' previously very healthy 12 year old Papillion stopped eating and her hair began falling out after my father's death. She also looked for him around the house and guarded his computer room, where he had spent so much time after retirment, hardly allowing my Mom in to even clean. The Vet said that there was nothing physically wrong with her and it could only be grief related. My Mom and the Vet were afraid of loosing her for quite a while before she finally pulled out of it. The little dog was always so close to my Dad, always in his lap or lying by his feet. I look back and wish we had thought to bring her to the wake and let her see my Dad, maybe it would have spared her some problems.

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by on 05/09/2011 01:38pm

When we had to have our Doobster euthanized almost a year and a half ago, it was after a rush to the emergency vet so we didn't have any prep time. We were not able to bring him home with us (the extra $260 that they wanted for a private cremation was more than I had the day after Christmas). We could not mention his name in the hearing of his two sisters (litter mates) for almost a year without them jumping up to go look for him............

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grieving
by on 05/09/2011 01:45pm

Let's face it. People are going to do whatever makes them feel better. If you have to entice a pet over with treats, chances are the pet is not going to be that anxious about it.

Pets key off of their owners, and if they develop inseparable pet buddies, they should be encouraged to be more social with additional introductions to the pack. Yes it is "cute" to see playmates who just can't stand to be away from each other - but it isn't very nice to them when one dies, is it? Dogs are pack animals that need buddies. But they don't need to see the dead one. Another buddy, age appropriate should have been introduced before the first one died, but if not - it would be a good idea to start looking and stop feeling sorry for yourself and your pet and go save a shelter animal.

by on 05/09/2011 01:57pm

While I agree that people need to adopt shelter animals, I don't agree with your statement that they should do it immediately after one pet has died. While volunteering at two shelters, I have seen numerous instances where people have adopted quickly after an animal dies, only to find that the new animal is a bad fit. When you don't allow a little bit of time (let's say, 3-6 months), it's a natural tendency to compare the new to the old. Of course, a new pet isn't going to be able to fall instantly into the relationship you had build up with the old one over the course of years. There seems to be a huge rate of returns among people who have only allowed a week or two before adopting a new pet, and I try to discourage people from doing so.

by on 05/10/2011 01:16am

Pitbull friend,
Great advice! I think the fact that you see that kind of return of shelter pets by people trying to replace their passed dogs is a tragedy. I am glad you were able to share this information as I don't think it is a good idea at all. When my sweet Gizmo died back in 1999, instead of trying to replace him, I went & worked at a rescue where they needed dog walkers and people to clean the cages and such. It allowed me to be among dogs which I was craving in my grief and give them affection and attention that they needed but allowed me to grieve the loss of my Gizmo. About 8 months later I was ready to adopt again and my next little girl (a 7 year old Papillon badly in need of a good home) was with me for the next 12 years of her life. She was as wonderful as my late little Gizmo.

by on 05/10/2011 01:04am

Your judgmental response shows a stunning lack of compassion and good sense so I’d like to suggest you reread all the posts on this topic, especially #17.

I am not sure why you feel the need to condemn and label others as feeling sorry for themselves because their pets have died and they are appropriately grieving as well as wanting to make sure their surviving pets are okay. Many of the previous posts before yours have pointed out that many pets were well aware of the passing of their friends – and that includes their human friends. They are not necessarily keying off their owners! Telling someone to get over it and immediately get a replacement pet from the shelter is a poor idea both for the poor animal being adopted (let’s face it they have already been traumatized enough) and the human as was previously pointed out by pitbull friend. Not everything in life needs a quick fix either, especially events like death. Grieving and allowing some time to pass is a good idea as it helps a person to experience their own emotions which is definitely healthier than trying to shut them off. Humans have wakes & funerals & memorials in order to deal with death so what is the big deal if you allow your pets to see their fellow companions once they have passed away?

Add in that not everyone can handle, either financially, emotionally and logistically getting a new dog before their current dog has passed. Often, as in the case of my 19 year old, there can be a great deal of expense involved insuring a good quality of life even though at 19 years old & dying from old age and all that comes with that, I knew she wasn’t going to recover, I did want her to be happy and comfortable. Her heart & arthritis medications and other supplements I chose to provide were quite expensive. As with my old girl, while my own mother would ask me why I was bothering and why didn’t I just put her down since she was so much work & expense, my caring, canine loving friends would support my decisions and remind me that I was providing nothing less than loving hospice care until my canine friend was ready to leave.

(FYI: I was not complaining to my mother about my caring for my little girl. She would inquire about my caring for her and then per her own narcissistic personality, give me her unsolicited, unhelpful and unwanted advice.)

Last, bringing another dog into the household when your beloved pet may be somewhat physically fragile is also not the best idea.

Glad you're not someone I’d be forced to turn to for consolation, but then I am sure your friends are already aware of your feelings on such matters and would not turn to you for any sort of emotional support when they are grieving their pets’ demise.

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grieving pets
by on 05/09/2011 01:55pm

Our new puppy 'Abby" was always trying to get my wife's mother's senior citizen'Baby' to play with her while we kept Baby when my mother-in-law was hospitalized after a stroke. Baby was having none of that however and did her best to keep Abby at a distance. Baby became very ill, congestive heart failure, and was sinking day by day while with us. In thelast few days before she was euthanized Abby would move gently over to where Baby was sleeping and unlike her actions before, she would lie silently beside her and lick her ears or face and lay her head on Baby's. I sincerely believe that Abby knew Baby was nearing death and was trying to comfort her. She was very subdued for several days after the death of Baby and showed many of the same feeling we were experiencing the as well. SO, YES I THINK THRY GRIEVE AND WOULD BE WELL SEVED BY ALLOWING A TIME TO SAY GOODBYE. Ken

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Pets grieving another
by on 05/09/2011 04:19pm

Dear Patty,
I have been a pet person all my 67 years and over that period of time I have witnessed my dogs grieving over the lost of another family pet. They will be mobby for several weeks. They will be off their food during that time and will look/seek for the deceased member. I never really realized just how deeply (specially) dogs can bond with one another regardless of breed/mix breed. I have had up to 6 dogs at one time only because I rescued them and once they established alpha order and the bonding with each other was complete, the pack mentality accured. When one found a new home, the others grieved the lost just as they grieved the lost (death) of another member of "their" family. From my experience and witnessing how dogs interact, I know they grieve just as us humans do. Maybe we should pay closer attention as to just how animals interact to have peace and harmony within the group when there is more than one or two. I know they have taught me a lot. Like tolerance and forgiveness. Thank you for your daily newsletter which I find very informative to read everyday. God Bless you for being the Vet you are.

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by on 05/09/2011 05:03pm

http://www.janefancher.com/TheCaptainAndLime/2011/04/28/the-hard-part-begins/

A writer whose blog I follow reports how a surviving cat has reacted to the death of another cat in the household.

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grieving pets
by on 05/09/2011 05:06pm

Last year my Tuxedo cat, EBE was diagnosed with kidney cancer after a routine exam to get a dental cleaning. She seemed in perfect health except for a bit of weight loss attributed to the diet I had her on. The oncologist was hopeful she would tolerate chemo well. As they started doing additional testing the found fluid in her lungs and did a thorocentesis. From there her health declined quickly. When she stopped eating and drinking I knew it was time. I wasn't going to submit her to an ng tube and sub-cue fluids when I wouldn't want that myself. I made pre-arrangements with the crematorium and part of my pre-planning was looking up how other pets deal with death on the internet.

There was a lot of conflicting information but the one thing I came across again and again was "the remaining pet will look for their companion for days to months." I finally decided I'd stop at home and let him inspect her body. So he could be aware she wasn't really there anymore if that's what they do. Over the years I've sen many animals grieve.

At first he seemed unaware that she was their. Completely ignored the body. When he finally did acknowledge her he sat next to the body unmoving for over an hour. He then got up and went and laid his head on HER bed until the next morning. He didn't look for her but he was off his food for several days. He'd get up in my lap at night and just rest his head on me looking into nowhere. I firmly believe he missed her because he would still go through their routine then seem to remember she wasn't there. I think a crowded home euthanasia would be too stressful. But allowing them to see for themselves that their friend is not "there" anymore is the right thing to do. Not just with dogs but cats also.

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cats
by on 05/09/2011 06:22pm

I had one cat pass away and her best buddy in the cat herd spent days sitting on her grave. She even left a mouse there, I'd never seen behavior like this before from cats. Don't know if it's more common than I know.

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Why not, in case it helps
by on 05/10/2011 01:53am

I don't know whether it really helps or not, but what's the harm in it, just in case it does help some pets. I always have home euthanasias, and have had many because I adopt only senior pets. I've seen some animals take a real interest and others walk away with no apparent understanding of what has happened. I do know the surviving animals sometimes grieve deeply, so if letting them find whatever understanding they can from sniffing their dead friend helps, why not do it?

by on 05/10/2011 11:21pm

Kutya,
Excellent response.... you covered it beautifully.

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grieving..continued
by on 05/10/2011 03:56pm

Whoa! to those of you who felt that my advice of having another pet was unacceptable...I am merely saying that they are pack animals. If you have aged animals and never had any other animals around? Of course you shouldn't bring another animal into the house! Let them die in peace! Gah! I am saying that a pack will keep each other young and help with the transitions with the inevitability of losing the oldest members. Dogs should have buddies. Dog buddies.

...the disparaging remarks about my type of friendship coming from the same person who writes so bitterly about her own mother? I can deal with that ;) I hope you have a better day and can understand that I mean no personal harm or insult.

by on 05/10/2011 08:34pm

stthrift,
You stated; “...I am merely saying that they are pack animals. If you have aged animals and never had any other animals around? Of course you shouldn't bring another animal into the house! Let them die in peace! Gah!” How bizarre given the point of the article that we are all discussing/posting about is concerning multi pet households!! You must have missed this point but the title of Dr. Khuly’s BLOG is “Do Pets Need to Share in the Death of Another?” which started out referring to another household pet! Double Gah!!

If you did not mean to be insulting why the need to say that people are feeling sorry for themselves cause they don't act as you do in response to the death of a pet? Do you consider that remark to be kind?

As far as my comments about my own mother....I’m not bitter, just completely realistic....and my 4 siblings would agree with me. Our mother would have put one of us down if we were too much work or had become too expensive to take care of before we reached adulthood. (Well, assuming she could have legally gotten away with it.) I think it is kind of funny cause like you, she thinks very highly of herself and her opinions (like she thinks of them as facts!) heehee

Anyway, my point is that you really need to improve your reading comprehension and communicate more accurately with us humans! Glad you feel you’re so in tune with what dogs need... wonder if the dogs would agree.

PS: I am sorry you did not think to hit the "Reply to this comment" button up where my first comments & response to your post were located so you could have placed your response in the vicinity of where our original “conversation” was taking place. It would have made for much better continuity.

by on 05/11/2011 03:32pm

When one loses a pet grieving is always involved. It is important to help the remaining pets feel important and normal. Suggesting a friend for a lonely remaining pet was not an affront to anyone personally, nor was it meant as an insult to you. (or your mother)

As I said, people will do what makes them comfortable. If you believe it makes your pets happy to see your dead pet before it is disposed of, then you will do it. I believe it is helpful to them if YOU believe it.

Then I believe it is helpful if they have a a pet buddy to play/interact with. (I believe in shelter pets here - because they need homes).

I have hit reply in the right place, placed my opinion, tried not to insult you or your opinion, read all of the previous posts numerous times and ask you to please refrain from TWISTING my intentions. Thank you.

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Animal grief
by on 05/10/2011 06:50pm

This is a subject I never considered until one of my cats would not leave the front door for about three weeks waiting for his friend. I had four cats at that time and I didn't even realize the cat had any relationship that was any different than any other relationship cats had for each other until the horrible waiting began. I didn't know how to tell him that his friend was dead. He barely ate. The other cats seemed not to notice.

So the last time I put a cat down, I brought the body home for the afternoon so the other two cats would see he was dead and could see him in their own way if they wanted, then I took it back to the vet for cremation. They slowly approached the body, walked around it, then got on top of the body to nap.

This cat was 17 1/2 and had lived with his brother every day for that time. This brother wandered the house calling for months for at least part of every day. And I just think he was lonely for his brother. I think he knew he was dead but just missed him.

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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