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Do you poop patrol? Getting serious about the pet poo problem in L.A. (and everywhere else, too)

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March 01, 2011 / (20) comments


Really interesting article in the L.A. Times this past weekend. It's to do with pet poop. Yes, this topic a-gain.

 

You'd think two poo posts in a month (check out the last one, if you dare) might mean something sinister, but I assure you, scatological obsessiveness is not one of my many vices. To prove it (well, sort of), this time stool is getting the serious treatment. Mostly, anyhow.

On the Tail End of Animal Waste, by Susan Carpenter, delved into deep doo-doo as it tackled the unmentionable subject of the animal waste that pervades our human existence — whether we're aware of it or not. (And most of us are not.)


There's no doubt animals add a lot to their owners' quality of life, but they also contribute something else — poop. Most of it goes to landfills.

Estimates for animal waste are, not surprisingly, difficult to locate. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency doesn't track it. Nor does L.A.'s Bureau of Sanitation, except for horses, which generate about 25,200 tons of manure annually in L.A.

Extrapolating U.S. Geological Survey figures for the 2.14 million tons of clay that is mined for use in kitty litters each year and L.A. County's human population of roughly 9.85 million, I estimate at least 50,000 tons of cat litter are sent to L.A. area landfills every year.

As for dogs, the amount of doo they generate varies by animal size, but the average is 274 pounds annually, according to a report from the Natural Resources Conservation Service. In L.A., that's 548 million pounds of dog doo that is wrapped in plastic, tossed in the black bin and trucked to oblivion.

Ouch! Those are some serious stats! So what are responsible pet owners to do if they don't like the notion that they're a bigger part of the problem than they'd previously estimated?

Luckily, Ms. Carpenter's article plows fearlessly into the apparently unpopular solution: poop patrol!

Yes, scooping your pet's poop, whether it's your dog's or your cat's, and keeping litter and paper out of the landfill's gaping maw would seem to be a good thing.

Sure, some landfills are capable of turning methane gas-producing items like feces into electricity, but not every landfill does … and not very efficiently, either. Turns out, the idea of flushing dog and cat stool is probably a more efficient method, electricity-wise. That's because, just as for human waste in the sewage treatment system, some electricity can be harnessed from methane gas production. And much more efficiently than in a landfill setting, even. Which is why flushable cat litters and biodegradable poop baggies exist.

But wait. Isn't that a health hazard? Or at least a plumbing hazard?

Turns out that, at least in L.A., cat feces flushing is not allowed due to the possible contamination of the water supply with toxoplasma. And as for plastic biodegradable bags, the local department of water and sewer prefers a "black and white message" that includes flushing nothing other than human waste so that people don't get all confused and start flushing everything in their homes down the loo.

Should you live in a home with a yard, you're hooked up. Composting poop and soiled litter (the type made with organic materials - I like the piney ones, myself) to apply to your ornamental plants is soooo doable! (There are lots of resources online for this.)

And yet this article informs us otherwise, explaining that only vegetarian pet doo-doo is compostable. (Think: rabbits, chickens and goats.) Potential contamination with pathogenic bacteria and/or parasites like Toxo means edible plant compost application is a no-no. Only ornamental plants need apply.

That is, unless you're willing to try an Alaskan sled dog team's approach: employing a heated compost method, which kills the "bugs" dead. Turns out, however, that you need at least seven or eight dogs to undertake this adventure efficiently. Twenty big sled dogs with enormous appetites is probably even better.

In the end, the article invites you to read between the lines on the flushing and composting thing, but officially informs us that the best-est, most greenest method is that of the dig-a-hole variety, by which you pop your poop into an underground container that has been designed to take in stool and digest it with enzymes you apply to the mix. Slowly, the now-harmless material will trickle into the soil around it. Yummy!

For my part, I compost my chicken coop shavings and my goat bedding. I was throwing doggie doo in for a while but then decided otherwise. It just seemed too gross and the resulting compost too limited for use in my yard (I have tons of avocado trees).

So the pet doo goes down the toilet, sans baggie, seeing as I scoop and dump. Or it gets hosed into the bougainvilleas that surround my side yard patio, where the dogs unkindly deposit their poo at times.

That's my way. But what say you? Do you poop patrol? If you do … how? If not, would you ever tackle doo-doo detail? Could an article like this one ever persuade you otherwise? Think about it and let us know.

 

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

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COMMENTS (20)
1
Kitty Litter
by TheOldBroad on 03/01/2011 06:38am

Add to that, having multiple kitties on sub-q fluids. That's a lot of used kitty litter.

I scoop into a small waste-basket sized plastic sack or empty litter bucket and it goes out with the trash.

However, I'll bet I use less of the landfill than someone using disposable diapers.

2
Kitty Litter & Poop
by Nonni on 03/01/2011 06:53am

I scoop the litter into a paper lunch bag & throw it out. I won't use flushable litter because I have a septic system & don't want anything in there that's not necessary.
As for dog poop - mine usually poop in the woods at the edge of my property and I just leave it there. That's if Ben, my Brittany, doesn't eat it first. Gross, and I've told him he's too old to be doing this but he doesn't listen.

3
Chickens......
by theflhowes on 03/01/2011 08:05am

They are not vegetarian.....
LOL
Tricia

by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/01/2011 08:54am

So true! Mine eat more bugs than anything else, I think. I don't feed them meat from my table (never any leftovers of the little I do buy), but vegetarians they are not.

by theflhowes on 03/01/2011 05:39pm

It just struck me as funny because I raise chickens and ducks (have about 100 total) and just watched them devour a southern toad yesterday. They had it before I could even try to save it. I also have very few lizards on my property. They are going to have a hay day when the baby grasshoppers start hatching!!
Love your columns and keep up the great work! :D
Tricia

by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/02/2011 10:21am

Yeah, it's pretty freaky to see them eat things like the giant cockroaches we have here in South Florida. Blech! But it does make their yolks so delicious and day-glo orange that I just pretend not to notice.

by theflhowes on 03/02/2011 10:46am

I am originally from Homestead (in North Fl. now) and know EXACTLY of the size of the "palmetto bugs" of which you speak! It's only bad when you try to swat them off a ceiling and they fly at you head LOL!
:/
Tricia

4
by HeatherM74 on 03/01/2011 08:11am

I've actually thought about this. I have flushed my dog's poop. I don't do it every time but it seems like the best way for me to go. I don't have a cat, so I don't have to worry about kitty litter. I figure there isn't much difference between flushing her poo and flushing human's. I do have 5 budgies and 2 lovebirds in 3 good sized cages. That's a lot of poopy papers that go in the trash. I wouldn't think you'd want to compost bird poop either. I know my birds aren't vegetarians. I make them bird bread that they eat daily and it has baby food in it, usually the chicken dinner to give them more protein.

5
by treefinder on 03/01/2011 08:42am

I have an active composter. That means I turn it and manage it for optimum composting. We eat at a local deli fairly often. The owners try to be responsible and serve only compostible "plastic" beverage containers.

As an experiment, more than a year ago, I brought one of the cups home to see how long it would take to break down. I surmised that it would break down faster in my composter than a landfill.

Well, it has been more than a year and it has not begun to break down. I cut it into 4 pieces so it would have maximum opportunity. Nope. Still there. I harvested a large "crop" last week and put the pieces back into the composter.

I still like the idea of biodegradable "plastic." At least we are not putting petroleum based products into the landfill. Unfortunately, we consumers have a very different belief about "biodegradable" than what the reality is.

My dog poop goes into the composter. I do not have a vegetable garden. I've had no problem with dog feces in the composter, which is mostly fueled by Scooter, the horse's, manure. When I had a cat, it's litter was spread evenly all over the yard. It "disappeared" into the grass in a matter of minutes. Poop went into the composter.

A properly done composter has no bad smell. Even in peak SW Florida summers (I live on a sub tropical island), there is no odor from the composter.

But, the biodegradable bags go into my trash and add to the mass in the local landfill. And, if you have a septic tank, I'd advise against putting cat poop (which always has some littler stuck to it) into the toilet.

by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/01/2011 08:58am

Thanks for that comment. I've been tempted to throw my used up iTunes cards in the composter to see what happens (they're supposedly made of the same biodegradable corn-based stuff) but I never got up the nerve. Then I read about the sled-dog method used in Alaska and apparently, biodegradable plastics will get digested at these higher temps (140-170 degrees). Just an FYI!

6
by boehmec on 03/01/2011 09:02am

catgenie for the cats...it has a great disinfectant in it, so any risk or toxoplasma my indoor only, non-rodent eating cats may have, is minimized.

I leave dog poo on my lawn only. I pick it up everywhere else, and that goes into the trash. Biodegradable bags are really, really expensive!

by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/02/2011 10:23am

Biodegradable bags *for dogs* are really expensive. But if you buy the ones made for the kitchen compost collection container they're *much* cheaper. They come in a long roll with perforated divisions. I buy mine at the Container Store.

by boehmec on 03/02/2011 10:49am

Awesome! Thanks for the tip!

7
by hamishdad on 03/01/2011 09:38am

If you use flea and tick products, flushing animal waste down the toilet is really a bad idea! The pesticides in those products are absorbed and excreted in the feces and urine.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/fipronil.pdf

Wastewater treatment plants are NOT designed to remove pesticides. If pet pesticides (which are highly toxic to freshwater organisms) go down the drain -- either from washing a pet, or by flushing animal waste -- they end up in lakes and rivers, and may end up in drinking water.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/drinkingwater.pdf

8
Composting
by Quixote on 03/01/2011 09:41am

Somewhat related - composting. Our local animal shelter is considering composting our euthanized pets and using the compost on food crops. I have an issue with that morally, but even more distraught that we will contaminate our food sources.

9
Poop Patrol
by sissy on 03/01/2011 09:45am

Human urine contains lots of nitrogen among other things so,I believe adding your urine to your cat and/or dog poop compost would heat it up enough to kill pathogens. I know this is yicky and yucky to a lot of people, but it's a huge waste to flush it.

10
Poo ?
by kay morris on 03/01/2011 09:48am

All poo out today.....Hope to hear good feed-back...LOL...Hope someone has the answers.

11
Lots of poop at our house
by Olivers mama on 03/01/2011 11:45am

I used to worry about this. But, 2 years ago, they found a cancer & I now have a temporary colostomy. Which I will NOT put into a paper bag.

We also have 4 housecats & use a biodegradable litter that gets put into paper grocery bags & tossed into the garbage.

An 87-lb German Shepherd rounds out our herd & her turds are too big for the toilet. So they, too, go into paper bags & then the garbage.

If they're so worried about all the poop & plastic bags in the landfills, have the convicts sift it out to earn their 7-course Holiday meals...

12
Toxoplasmosis and cats
by pedrolobo on 03/01/2011 12:00pm

A word about Toxoplasmosis, if I may…

The Toxoplasma gondii parasite has been linked to the illness and death of sea otters and other sea animals, possibly through runoff from contaminated ground water.

Toxoplasmosis gondii has long been linked to domestic cats for the simple reason that felids are the definitive host; that is, the parasite reproduces sexually and reaches maturity within the small intestines, after which the oocysts are excreted.

However, there are different strains of T. gondii, and some studies have shown that wild felids (e.g., bobcats and mountain lions) are more likely to carry the Type X strain—which has been shown to be the most likely culprit in the toxoplasma-related deaths of California sea otters, Pacific harbor seals, and California sea lions.

In other words, it’s complicated and research is ongoing.

None of which deters opponents of Trap-Neuter-Return from playing the Toxoplasma card in their efforts to outlaw TNR and the feeding of feral cats (though, of course, they typically draw direct causal links that are simply not supported by the science). TNR opponents also like to point to the high percentage of free-roaming cats that “test positive” for toxoplasmosis¬. Why technically correct, this doesn’t mean they’re infectious; it’s nothing more than the detection of antibodies resulting from their exposure to the parasite.

I invite readers to visit my blog, Vox Felina (http://www.voxfelina.com), where I’ve written at some length about this important topic.


Peter J. Wolf
http://www.voxfelina.com

13
Poo
by DocWriter on 03/01/2011 04:35pm

Both of our cats are toilet trained, so there are no litter boxes in our apartment. My Doberman's 'box' is in MY bathroom, and his 'stuff' is immediately flushed - paper and plastics, of course, go out in the trash. He's even trained to pee in a bag... when necessary! If ANY of our 'kids' use outdoor areas, then waste is picked up in 'poo bags' and trashed. Our cats are leash trained, too.

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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