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Veterinarians and Speed-Dating: Technically Competent ... But Socially Inept?

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July 13, 2011 / (9) comments


Are veterinarians socially inept? Not so much when you compare us to our human medical counterparts, it would seem. And yet, there’s always room for improvement…

 

According to Monday’s front page article in The New York Times:

 

Doctors save lives, but they can sometimes be insufferable know-it-alls who bully nurses and do not listen to patients. Medical schools have traditionally done little to screen out such flawed applicants or to train them to behave better, but that is changing.

 

The times they are a’ changing. Increasingly, the ivory tower is reaching beyond the pithy psychobabble to help make real-life human capabilities actually have some bearing on the medical school acceptance process.

Imagine that!

Back in the day, people became doctors because they were "people persons." They were compassionate, caring people whose interest in science segued with their up-close and personal interest in humanity. That was the idea, anyhow.

Fast-forward to today’s medical institution and you’ve got mommy-pleasers and social-climbers lumped in with the real thing. Sure, that’s always been the case to some extent, harking back to Medieval times, even. But isn’t it time we started weeding the interlopers out?

Enter the MMI, the "multiple mini interview," which is a med-student selection system embraced by Stanford University Medical School and a growing legion of upstart academic hangers-on who are happy to clutch onto a better way of selecting docs for the future.

Based on the concept of intelligent, analytical communicability, the point is that candidates for a medical education would have to vie for their seats based not only on their demonstrable book smarts, but on their people skills, too.

So a series of mini-interviews was developed to ID the medical profession’s best candidates based on their social acumen, a never-done-that-before approach that has been welcomed by every medical body willing to opine on the subject. Here’s what the NYT piece exposed:

 

At Virginia Tech Carilion, the nation’s newest medical school, administrators decided against relying solely on grades, test scores and hour long interviews to determine who got in. Instead, the school invited candidates to the admissions equivalent of speed-dating: nine brief interviews that forced candidates to show they had the social skills to navigate a health care system in which good communication has become critical.

The system grew out of research that found that interviewers rarely change their scores after the first five minutes, that using multiple interviewers removes random bias and that situational interviews rather than personal ones are more likely to reveal character flaws, said Dr. Harold Reiter, a professor at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who developed the system.

In fact, candidate scores on multiple mini interviews have proved highly predictive of scores on medical licensing exams three to five years later that test doctors’ decision-making, patient interactions and cultural competency, Dr. Reiter said.

A pleasant bedside manner and an attentive ear have always been desirable traits in doctors, of course, but two trends have led school administrators to make the hunt for these qualities a priority. The first is a growing catalog of studies that pin the blame for an appalling share of preventable deaths on poor communication among doctors, patients and nurses that often results because some doctors, while technically competent, are socially inept.

 

Wow. Makes so much sense. And as I always say, veterinary medicine is a people profession first and foremost. Much as we like to make it all about the animals, it’s their stewards  — all of us — that ultimately hold all the cards.

So it is that I can’t help but think that veterinary medicine is on the wrong path if it thinks it can attract students solely on the basis of their commitment to our animals. We’ll have to do a lot better than that — even if it comes to "speed-dating" — if we’re to bring all our human skills to bear on making animal lives better.

 

 

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

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COMMENTS (9)
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UCVM
by ibycus on 07/13/2011 12:40am

This is in fact exactly how the university of Calagry (vet med) runs their interviews. Nine stations or so, plus an essay written on site.

Speaking as someone who went through it, there are advantages and disadvantages to the system, but overall, I think it was quite effective (after all, it selected me, so it must be good!)

2
what a tease
by wickets on 07/13/2011 04:45am

thought i was gonna get the inside track to dating a hottie vet hahaha

3
Speed!
by TheOldBroad on 07/13/2011 07:22am

The way things are going in the human medical field, speed seems to be required. After all, in many offices, patients are scheduled 3 for every 15 minutes. Heck, the doctor barely has time to actually look the patient in the eyes. And, of course, that's after the patient has waited an extra hour or two. I once made a doctor's appointment for 8 AM, knowing I would be the first in line. After waiting an extra hour, it turned out the staff totally forgot me (Yes, I checked in at the desk) and I had to reschedule.

Once again, I feel so lucky to have my vet and clinic. The vet listens to all my concerns, makes thoughtful decisions and, however he does it, manages to make me feel like I'm the only client in the world.

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Liverpool
by mantavani on 07/13/2011 11:43am

This is how it has been done at my alma mater, Liverpool Uni in the UK, for some time - 14 or so stations with five minutes at each, rotating at the sound of a bell. A station might ask a specific topical vet question, or ask you to comment on a welfare issue, or dig into the student's motivation, or ask for extrapolation based on some given stats (e.g. the comparative efficacy of two drugs), or even just a brief chat about why you wanted to be a vet in the first place. It felt very cold and clinical compared to some of my other interviews but in retrospect I think I 'proved' more in that interview process than I did in any of the other Unis I was interviewed at, perhaps bar one where part of the process was to assign a random group of interviewees a discussion question and let them get on with it. The 'score' came from an estimate of participation rather than outcome.

Conversely (given the subject of Dr P's post) I met my fiancé via online dating. Go figure ;)

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Vet Interviews
by Rosebud75093 on 07/13/2011 12:00pm

In addition, Consumer Reports just came out with a article on the 5th of July in regard to the importance of shopping for, and interviewing vets, by the public before locking in to a specific practice. Again, the ability of a vet to communicate with human clients will be a very real part of any person's assessment of a potential veterinarian.
Right now, there is such a marvelous large population of vets, especially in metropolitan areas, that we have the ability to really find a vet that we feel comfortable with, and not feel we must use the vet on the corner just around from our house just because he's/she's close. This is a relationship that you are hopefully going to have for the lifetime of your pet, and hopefully over the lifetimes of MULTIPLES of your pets.
There will always be those of us who really don't give a flip about how a vet treats "us" as long as they are excellent vets and offer superb care to our pets. But, it sure does make it easier for everyone involved, if the relationship is a warm and cordial one. And for me personally, an intelligent one. I want a relationship that offers all of the above, and searched for a long time for find a vet that offers such. And don't forget the importance of the staff as well. They can make or break, a practice. Now, I still keep a small variety of "other" vets on my call list, because of particular "specialties" they may have...but my "every day" general practice vet I consider to be a "friend" and he gets about 90% of my business, and 100% of my referrals to friends or clients looking for a good GP vet, or reproductive specialist. And they are aware of just how much new business I send them.
It is imperative that vets be able to build relationships with their clients, IF they intend to keep them. That requires significant people skills.

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I have to disagree
by agadoresmama on 07/13/2011 07:31pm

I mean....some of the best surgeons I and my pets have used had horrible bedside manners...and I really don't give a rat's arse if they get along with others....too much schmoozing already going on between insurance companies and politicians...I want my Doc to do what's right for me....not be everyone's best friend.

Beaner's TightRope surgery is one such instance....the surgeon who performed it grated on my last fiber.....but he did a bangup job and Beaner's been mobile and pain free for over two years....

I'm tired of politically correctness....let's all get along..

If my life is on the line, I want the BEST...not the nicest or most social...operating on me.

by 4_Fab_Felines on 07/14/2011 03:46am

I want the whole package. Soft skills are important, too.

Regardless of how technically skilled a clinician may be, poor interpersonal skills can seriously compromise the quality and continuity of the support staff. In a hostile environment, the good ones will get out or burn out. Patient care will suffer.

A clinician's inability to communicate effectively with clients may rob them of the opportunity to make informed decisions regarding their pets' care. It can foster noncompliance if the treatment protocol is poorly understood or the client feels uncomfortable admitting that they're unable to follow it.

If a clinician seems unapproachable, clients may be wary of voicing their concerns. Delays in addressing a condition may adversely impact the ability to effectively treat it. If s/he is dismissive, patient care will suffer. (There have been a number of instances where my own pets' lives have been spared because I requested additional testing and our veterinarian was willing to hear me out, as neurotic and irksome as I may have appeared at the time.)

The admissions process is highly competitive. There's no reason programs can't select for students that possess strong academic and interpersonal skills. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation. And, IMO, it shouldn't be.


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research / industry jobs
by jas23 on 07/14/2011 02:25pm

I agree that it is EXTREMELY important for any practicing clinician to be able to communicate effectively with patients / clients. However, many students who obtain an MD or DVM do not actually practice clinical medicine, but instead choose to explore research and industry jobs. It may not be necessary to have great social skills to be affective at these types of jobs, and perhaps some brilliant researchers and industry leaders may be lost to the field if we focus too much on the need for personable applicants. After all, it is those in research and industry which contribute most to the growth and innovation within the medical field as a whole.

Additionally, as pointed out, there are many specialists who interact very little with clients. Sometimes the most focused, driven, and fantastically skilled people have little brain power left to grow their acumen for social interaction, a phenomenon which can be seen across all professions, not just medicine.

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hence the rise of APNs
by mlosassodvm on 07/15/2011 12:05am

In human medicine, advanced-practice nurses have become more commmon in several fields. Depending on the specialty (and the State), these APNs have almost as much authority as an MD (although I believe all still have to be "overseen" by an MD). The big difference comes in quality of care - APNs were nurses first, and tend to make better caregivers. In my wife's pediatric practice, it is the APNs that people request, not the pediatricians, because they take the time to care about their patients, AND their patients' families. My own twins have not seen a pediatrician (they are eight years old), but they do love the Pediatric Nurse Practitioner in the pediatrician's office (and so do we).

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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