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Are pets a luxury?

January 11, 2011 / (70) comments


Ever marveled at how much more livable your life is now that you’re lucky enough to have pets in it? Wondered how you could function without their presence? Yet you constantly field annoying comments questioning how much you spend on them, right? As if keeping pets was a mere luxury …

 

Driving to work early Sunday morning I caught a snippet of American Public Radio’s show, On Being. Among other ontological tidbits, the guest, celebrated poet and scholar Elizabeth Alexander, addressed the following question: Is poetry a luxury?

Her answer, a thoughtful "no" to the notion of poetry’s ready dispensability for its elite or cushy connotations, was based primarily on its permanence as cultural touchstone through the ages. When did we not have poetry? This form of communication is purportedly as old as the earliest civilizations. Hence, it’s posited, we must harbor a quintessentially human need to engage in it.

Which, of course, got me to mulling over much the same with respect to our pets: Are they a luxury?

Excessive, indulgent, inessential, hedonistic, frilly, sumptuous, extravagant. Such are the adjectives the word, "luxury" denotes. None of which, I’d argue, apply to my own conception of the animals I keep as pets. Nor is it likely to jibe with your worldview of petdom — not if you consume animal infotainment, like this blog, on a regular basis.

After all, some of us don’t necessarily see animal keeping as a personal choice. We view animals among us as the result of the millennia old process of domestication — a complex, symbiotic relationship that serves as a significant measure of our humanity.

Which is perhaps why so many of us feel almost compelled to live alongside animals. This, despite the fact that with all our modern advances we’ve mostly "aged out" of keeping pets as ratters, hunters, and defenders (among other survival-based uses). Because, as the argument goes, there’s something so fundamentally co-evolutionary (about dogs and cats in particular) that we continue to forge lasting bonds with them in spite of the less pressing need to keep them close.

No, pets are decidedly not luxuries — not any more than anything else we might consider "essential" to our quality of life that can also be said to be a luxury. After all, we humans need no more than food, water, clothing and shelter to survive. All else is luxury, by that standard.

Yet I’m also convinced the same cannot be said for all pet owners (we all know who they are). Nor do I expect everyone to agree that pet keeping can possibly be essential. Pets, they’ll say, are nothing more than a self-indulgent drain on personal resources.

Though, to rebut the naysayers, I might offer the case of the old woman whose only reason to get out of bed is to feed her cat. I do understand the reasoning of those who wonder how far we as a society should go to shoulder the expenses not only of our human citizenry, but that of their animals as well.

Because if animals are deemed essential, non-luxury goods, our social services would surely expand to meet the demand for low income pet care. Which is sort of where we’re headed … for better or worse.

Then there’s the other end of the spectrum within the animal crowd: The puritanical animal rightists who believe pets are the ultimate luxury, and that keeping them "enslaved" to humans is no less morally egregious than wearing their fur or killing them (in the case of wolves) from helicopters for sport.

Moreover, the fact that we can and do subjugate them to our will and call them essential to our personal psyches and to our need to thrive is an affront to their own physical and psychological welfare.

High-volume arguments from both camps aside, it’s clear the case is thick as mud. All of which only serves to make me ponder this gem all the more: If pets are a luxury, what does that say about veterinary medicine?

 

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Pic of the day: Lux pup by Me

 

 

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COMMENTS (70)
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Decidedly Not!
by on 01/11/2011 06:06am


While I love my critters and my life is definitely richer because of them, I don't feel they are a luxury.

I feel it's my obligation to care for them the best I can.

Mine are all rescues. Their fates would most likely have had sad and miserable endings without me.

Remember Winston Alexander from my post yesterday? One very cold night he literally knocked on my front door asking for help. He had every parasite imaginable; he was starving and every bone in his body was sticking out.

I couldn't have turned him away, but I wonder how many other doors he knocked on to ask for help. Of course, my first thought was to get him healthy and find him a home, but that lasted only until I cuddled him and he laid his head under my chin and fell asleep. It was probably the first time he had been able to rest comfortably in a long time.

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by on 01/11/2011 06:13am

It is actually an interesting question. It certainly divides the camp, no doubt. The PETA and HSUS supporters no doubt will continue their verbose stance that the animals deserve a better existence, but seriously, how more important can a pet be then the sole reason someone gets up in the morning?
Unfortunately with the economic downturn this country is experiencing, you DO see that in some cases animals ARE a luxury, and one that some people can not afford. This is where the dilemma can be seen tangibly. In these cases, I'd like to see more people step up and help their friends and neighbors support their pets through the lean times, but many animals are abandoned to shelters and streets to die. You don't see that treatment of other "luxuries" So it does beg to question how luxurious pets actually are.
My pets to me are family members and are treating according. What the means in terms of my vet, well that makes the vet is like my doctor...however what it means in regards to level of care?...well that too makes a vet like a doctor..some things are affordable, and some have to wait until they can be afforded...which of course brings into the question health insurance...when money is tight, do I have a medical procedure that is covered by insurance?...well if it doesn't cause me to lose money elsewhere such as in lose of time at work...so maybe we should have pet insurance to cover our pets, but that insurance needs to get with the times before I can sign on to support it..it needs to be more inclusive and up front with it's coverage.
So I guess the answer is yes, pet's are a luxury from a purely financial observance, but they are not a disposable luxury and not something I'd ever give up no matter how tough the times got. They are just too valuable to me. Which means no, they are not a luxury, they are essential to my health and well being...after all, I can't think of another thing I am more attached to that I "own"

by on 01/11/2011 10:00am

Challenge accepted, LorriM! You have been reading minds, apparently. The Dog Federation of Wisconsin has started the process that you so eloquently described. Our board is meeting for the second time this week, so an official announcement is not quite ready yet, but the DFOW is in the process of incorporating a foundation that will help pet owners through tough times. We are organizing resources - legal, financial, emotional, and practical support for people facing the loss of their animals due to illness, foreclosure, landlord or neighborhood disputes, illness or disability, extreme veterinary costs. The list of resources includes legal pet pre-planning, temporary boarding, trainers and behavior counselors, vet referrals, homeowners insurance referrals, resources to fight BSL, service dog issues. Some of these are on a wish list, many are already lined up.
We hope to be a model for others. Stay tuned for further developments: The Dog Federation of Wisconsin www.dfow.net

by on 01/11/2011 10:24am

Our local SPCA has a service called PetFoodXpress that is like meals on wheels for homebound seniors needing food for their animals, which are often their primary joy in life and reason for getting up every day.

by on 01/11/2011 11:24am

I do read minds...runes too...

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not a luxury
by on 01/11/2011 09:23am

There will always be furry little critters in my life. I'm slowly paring down the number of reptiles I keep, but have added more fish tanks. The reptiles and fish are more akin to luxuries. The furries are a part of life.

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Just a Dog
by on 01/11/2011 09:58am

This post reminds me of one of my favorite poems...

Just a Dog

From time to time, people tell me, "lighten up, it's just a dog," or, "that's a lot of money for just a dog." They don't understand the distance traveled, the time spent, or the costs involved for "just a dog."

Some of my proudest moments have come about with "just a dog." Many hours have passed and my only company was "just a dog," but I did not once feel slighted.

Some of my saddest moments have been brought about by "just a dog," and in those days of darkness, the gentle touch of "just a dog" gave me comfort and reason to overcome the day.

If you, too, think it's "just a dog," then you will probably understand phases like "just a friend," "just a sunrise," or "just a promise." "Just a dog" brings into my life the very essence of friendship, trust, and pure unbridled joy. "Just a dog" brings out the compassion and patience that make me a better person.

Because of "just a dog" I will rise early, take long walks and look longingly to the future. So for me and folks like me, it's not "just a dog" but an embodiment of all the hopes and dreams of the future, the fond memories of the past, and the pure joy of the moment.

"Just a dog" brings out what's good in me and diverts my thoughts away from myself and the worries of the day.

I hope that someday they can understand that it's not "just a dog" but the thing that gives me humanity and keeps me from being "just a human."

So the next time you hear the phrase "just a dog." just smile, because they "just don't understand."

Authored by Richard A. Biby

There are many times when "just a dog" was my reason for getting up in the morning and doing what I needed to do, that's not a luxury, that's a necessity.

by on 01/11/2011 10:57am

That was truly beautiful - thank you for sharing it with us

I've often said that for some people pets are like furniture - if it doesn't go with the decor, you get rid of it. For others like us, they are family members who rely on us to take care of them for a lifetime.......

by on 01/11/2011 05:31pm

Believe it or not a dog came into a rescue I volunteer with because the owner had redecorated and the dog didn't match her new decor!!! Yikes-o-rama!

by on 01/11/2011 08:57pm

Back when I volunteered with an adoption group, I was always curious to see the reason for owner relinquish on the critter's card.

Just as you experienced, we had a kitty that had been relinquished because it didn't match the new sofa.

One particularly maddening reason, but perhaps the most honest, was "Kids won't take care of".

Any reasonable adult should realize that, no matter what the children promise, it's the adult who will be the primary caregiver.

Of course, it's the animal who suffers for it.

by on 01/11/2011 12:51pm

That was beautiful! It brought tears to my eyes. Just the other day a coworker used that phrase to me when one of my dogs tunnelled under the fence and I couldn't find him. I was very hurt that he wouldn't even try to understand why I was so upset. Dexter came home and all wa well, but I'll never really like that person as much again. Your poem describes my feelings perfectly! Thank you!

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Luxury?
by on 01/11/2011 10:13am

A local Animal Welfare group is pushing _very_ hard to pass legislation that will mandate 200 sq ft minimum for a dog's primary living space. Below that, even for your teacup Yorkie, would be considered animal cruelty.

While I think that we should do as well by our pets as possible, one can certainly legislate them into the category of luxuries by insisting that the cruelty bar be set so high that the poor can not comply.

by on 01/11/2011 10:23am

How would "primary living space" be defined? I would guess either an outdoor run where the dog lives full time, or the interior of the house. In either case, I don't think 200 sq feet is at all unreasonable, I would actually agree that anything less to be animal cruelty.

by on 01/11/2011 11:26am

Sadly, There is always going to be a group of people who think they know what is best for people and their pets. These groups will continue to push the envelope of legislation into our lives, rarely considering the long term consequences of their self appointed do gooding actions.

by on 01/11/2011 11:34am

Sadly, there is also a group of people whom will only do what is best for themselves, even at the cost of other lives. It is because of those people who abuse pets and give them less than adequate care that this type of legislation is even being considered. Do you believe that 200 sq feet is excessive living space for ANY dog? My smallest dog of the three I have is 65 lbs., confining her to 200 sq feet for the duration of her life would be abusive, I won't even consider the thought of my 130 lb. great dane puppy having to life such a sad life.

How any dog lover would be offended at a minimum 200 sq foot living space is completely beyond me.

by on 01/11/2011 12:59pm

So what if you keep your 65 lb dog in a larger space? I keep my Borzoi on 8 acres. Perhaps, in MY opinion, you are committing cruelty if you don't allow your big dogs to run in that much space. Do you believe that? And do you truly believe that it is cruel to keep teacup Yorkie, 2 to 3 lbs fully grown, in 200 sq ft??? Moreover, I do know people who love their pet, walk it daily, take it to the dog park regularly, but are poor. They don't have the space you do. What do want from them? Only rich people, or those who live in rural areas, should be allowed the pleasure of a pet.

by on 01/11/2011 02:14pm

Perhaps you don't understand the basic concept of diminishing returns, or perhaps you are just looking to argue, either way, 200 sq feet is the size of a small room in any house. To give ANY dog less space than one small room in a house is cruelty, plain and simple.

And really, what does being poor have to do with the subject at hand? Someone who couldn't afford a dwelling of at least 100 sq feet probably can't afford to properly take care of a pet.

by on 01/11/2011 09:02pm


200 square feet is about 14 by 14.

If a person lives indoors (and surely they live in more than 200 square feet), how could this be an unreasonable thing?

It would be my opinion that asking for a minimum of 200 square feet is so the critter won't be caged 24/7.

by on 01/14/2011 12:45am

I live in a 1.5 bedroom trailer as I finish my fourth year of vet school with my two cats and two large dogs. NONE of my rooms even approach 200 sq feet. Maybe the living room and kitchen together, but even the 'big' bedroom is only 140 sq ft and the smaller one is a whopping 80 sq ft. Is it ideal? No, but neither is the quarter of a million dollars in debt most of my classmates are carrying even without having to pay the price for these 'small rooms in any house' you feel are standard. I promise you that none of my critters are mistreated or suffer from our small quarters.

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Depends
by on 01/11/2011 10:23am

For those who can't afford them or take care of them properly, pets could be considered a luxury. To that argument, so are children for the same reasons. As far as when I'm asked about my vet bills for my 7 foster failure cats, I reply that, since they are our only kids, we don't have to pay for designer shoes, college education, or bail like parents of human children do, so it's not even in the same league. Similarly, my brother and SIL (9 cats/2 dogs, all rescues or foster failures) paid over $10,000 for surgery and chemo for their deeply loved 13yo dog with thyroid cancer, knowing it would probably buy him only about a year. It's been 2 years, he walk/runs 3 miles per day, and a recent ultrasound was normal. They feel it was worth every penny for the joy he gives them, especially when one of my SIL's co-workers who has already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on their son for drug rehab had to spend Christmas with him in the hospital since he started using and overdosed again, and then put him on a plane back to rehab. We'll never have to deal with that.

by on 01/11/2011 11:31am

I think the comparison to children is very apt.

Before you have them, you should consider whether you can meet their basic needs. If you can't, then you should do without.

I don't put them in the same category as jewelry or designer clothes or electronics. There's mutual benefit and I think the relationship between humans and animals is a positive one worth fostering. Yes, that puts me on the opposite side of the animal-rightists, but I am on the opposite side of them on many issues.

I would do without a lot of my "luxuries" for the sake of my animals. I don't just own them, I love them. They are family to me. As a person with chronic depression, I am helped by them every day. They teach children responsibility. They are companions for the lonely and the elderly.

While humans can live without them, I don't see them as luxuries. They are a separate category entirely.

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Great Topic
by on 01/11/2011 10:32am

I worked for a very good vet who once said to me, "Poor people shouldn't have pets." It is heart wrenching when a client is obviously struggling with the cost of care for a beloved pet. Of course there are also ignorant people with financial resources who do not apply them to the care of their pet.

It's a thought provoking question. We support and volunteer with groups who advocate and facilitate spay/neuter, TNR and educate people on the true costs of having a cat or dog. They also help pets remain in homes that lack a bit in finances but love the pet.

My husband and I have 3 rescued cats and 2 rescued dogs. We could argue that children are a luxury.

by on 01/11/2011 11:28am

perhaps a competent vet...but a good one with that attitude?...I question that...

by on 01/11/2011 12:06pm

"Very good" is subjective - a self-righteous and judgmental person who happens to be a technically skilled vet, maybe. I have always believed that the only "good" vet is one who is "good" with people, as well as animals.

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Luxury?
by on 01/11/2011 10:54am

Very compelling message, thank you, Dr. Kuhly. This topic has popped up on my dog breed email list the past year, and it is my pleasure to respond that pets are most certainly NOT a luxury. My family credits my mother's independence into her late 80's to her beloved shelties. Mom's major health problems could have felled her years ago, but for her Norwegian grit and the love of her dogs, who literally were the reason she got out of bed many days. Gotta walk the dog no matter what.
As I grow old myself, I wonder how disabled I could be (Mom's genes, after all) if I hadn't been involved so seriously in dog sports, teaching and training others, moving through physical pain many days. And lately, public service through K9 search and rescue/recovery work, political action fighting devastating anti-pet laws pushed by animal rights groups pretending to 'protect' animals from human exploitation. The unscientific and emotion-laden rhetoric from HSUS, PETA, would label us "abusers" for our very rich and fulfilling relationships with the animals. I would argue that animal lovers are the most generous, compassionate and empathetic humans on the planet. (Maybe even more intelligent.) Everyone benefits, even the short-sighted folks who don't 'get it'.
Luxury is a term from modern times, of course, and we so easily forget that humans could not have evolved, or exist without animals, and they are no more a luxury than air.

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by on 01/11/2011 11:18am

Owning a pet is a right that all human beings should have the honor of. The reciprocal love, loyalty and joy that pets bring to our lives shouldn't span or be limited by socioeconomic factors. With many low-cost spay neuter programs, vaccine clinics, etc., it is possible for even the impoverished to own a pet.

That said, pet ownership (like 2-legged kid ownership) is a RESPONSIBILITY, and regardless of how rich or poor one might be, it's a pet owner's responsibility to appropriately care for a pet. That includes puppy socialization, crate training, appropriate veterinary care, leash walks (vs. chaining outside, leaving outdoors, or running off leash), scoop pooping, etc.

by on 01/11/2011 11:34am

I agree with your comments, however I'd like to see more programs that help support the responsibility part, as I believe that many pets live less then completely desirable lives not because they are not loved, or affordable, but simply because of a lack of education in the general pet ownership relm...for example, when I lived in NJ I rarely encountered people who had unexpected litters of puppies and kittens in the last 10-15 years Iwas there, however since moving to PA, I see constantly unaltered animals resulting in unexpected puppies and kittens. I myself have taken 14 neighborhood cats to low cost S/N clinics to help prevent the disaster it can bring. My neighbors can usually afford such low cost procedures ($25.00/$35.00) but are not educated as to the need for same...education is SO much more important in these cases then the ability to afford more then the very basic vet care. It IS what will change the circumstances some pets live in way more then personal income ever could.

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Luxury
by on 01/11/2011 01:28pm

Hope not to sound snarky. Got very little sleep last night because elderly dog does not react well to BP meds.

I am offended that the general population will tell any pet owner that they spend too much $$ on their animal yet wouldn't dare complain to someone who was spending $$ on any other "luxury." Why do people feel that it's open season on pet owners yet exercise discretion for any other type of spending? Supposedly it was luxury purchases that helped the Christmas season be so successful. If so, then why complain to us?

I am not compelled to justify my spending to anyone. My pets are not a luxury; they are an intrinsic part of my life. They are only a luxury to non-animal lovers who should keep their mouths shut. I don't tell you what to do with your funds so leave me alone.

I haven't noticed any angst among purchasers of high ticket items. Realistically they could purchase something less expensive and donate the balance to any charity. Until that is a common occurrence, can the self-serving pious remarks directed at pet lovers.

by on 01/11/2011 09:17pm

I always reference the leather package on any new car purchase. Almost always the new owner is celebrated for her/his taste. Yet a $5,000 surgery on a beloved pet? How dare we? What were we thinking?

by on 01/11/2011 09:25pm

Well said.

These same people probably have a $5000 leather sofa and $2000 leather recliner to match.

by on 01/12/2011 11:50am

Absolutely. And these people will be happy to tell YOU that you spend too much on your pets yet would be highly insulted if you returned the favor.

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Luxery or Not
by on 01/11/2011 02:11pm

As a service dog owner, who has become very dependent on my my service dogs(I have three, that work at various times, not usually at the same time, tho)....

I have had this discussion with people with disabilities, who expect that things be handed to them on a silver platter, and free. ....Especially a service dog.

Yes, dogs/pets are luxury. Likely you would not be dead if not for your pet(Yes, I know that there are those who will say, MY dogs rescued me from a burning house....But, then, the house wouldn't have burnt, if your dog hadn't chewed the electrical cord...)

Now, that said, do pets make our lives more bearable? You bet.

Would I want to live without my dogs? Hell NO.

Would I give up my dogs if I thought it was in their best interest? You be.

Would it make me sad? You bet>

Would I die or commit suicide because of it? Nope. My life is worth more than that. And, I know it.

I do agree that pets are a responsibility. I do believe that we should do the best for our pets possible. I do not believe that the government or PETA/HSUS(who don't want you to own pets by the way, do your research), Have the right to dictate how I care for my pets, IE, whether they are speutered(which is a dangerous elective surgery, that I refuse to subject my pets to), how much room they have, whether they are crated in a wire crate or a fiberglass crate, what I feed, etc....

Not their business....WHy? Because regardless, pets are property....I say all that, as two of my Rotties are laying at my feet at work, munching on deer antlers....which came from the deer that I shot and killed, and butchered and will be enjoying eating in the future, as will my dogs.....

And, if HSUS and PETA have their way, I won't be allowed to feed my family in that manner either....

by on 01/11/2011 02:31pm

IMHO, all of the above can be said about children, so we go 'round again.

Is something a luxury if there is a minimum responsibility tied to it?

Maybe we should be discussing the definition of "luxury". Per dictionary.com:
lux·u·ry   /ˈlʌkʃəri, ˈlʌgʒə-/ Show Spelled
[luhk-shuh-ree, luhg-zhuh-] Show IPA
noun, plural -ries, adjective
–noun
1. a material object, service, etc., conducive to sumptuous living, usually a delicacy, elegance, or refinement of living rather than a necessity: Gold cufflinks were a luxury not allowed for in his budget.
2. free or habitual indulgence in or enjoyment of comforts and pleasures in addition to those necessary for a reasonable standard of well-being: a life of luxury on the french Riviera.
3. a means of ministering to such indulgence or enjoyment: This travel plan gives you the luxury of choosing which countries you can visit.
4. a pleasure out of the ordinary allowed to oneself: the luxury of an extra piece of the cake.
5. a foolish or worthless form of self-indulgence: the luxury of self-pity.
6. Archaic . lust; lasciviousness; lechery.

I think to most on this board, pet ownership is not akin to luxury, instead it's more of a life enrichment.

by on 01/11/2011 02:35pm

I don't dispute that kids fall into the same bracket. I think people should have to be licensed to own human children under the age of 18. I think that unless those adult humans pay a hefty tax, then those children should be castrated/spayed before the age of 8, to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and future straying and committing of criminal activities....see how this all ties into MSN? Breed bans? Hmmmm...

I think all people on welfare should be spayed/neutered as well. I think that they should have to work for that welfare dollar...

But, I digress.....

by on 01/11/2011 02:39pm

Well, okay, then, we know you're not being serious and we can ignore you for the rest of this discussion.

by on 01/11/2011 03:54pm

Actually, I am quite serious. I think that humans should be spayed or neutered, unless they have the financial means to raise children.

Unless they put up a $$$$$$$$ fund for those children, then those kids must be spayed or neutered before they have the chance to breed and multiply. You can always sperm bank sperm and freeze eggs for invitro later in life.

I think that the problem with "so-called" pet overpopulation is humans, not pets.

Further, I don't think I(or anyone else who choose to own intact animals) should have to be punished for other people's stupidity(IE, not keeping your animal confined, not training, etc....)

And, again, contrary to what others think, you really won't die if you don't have a dog or a cat....

by on 01/11/2011 04:05pm

Allow me to clarify.

You're not CAPABLE of participating in a serious discussion about this, because you're so alienated from your own species.

by on 01/11/2011 04:15pm

Look at it this way, at least TheDogTrainer is commenting on the subject at hand instead of personally bashing other posters. Your personal insults only seek to undermine the seriousness of your own points.

Considering most of the posters on here view pets as family members, I am surprised to hear such dissention to TDT's posts. "Family" implies humanization, does it not?

by on 01/11/2011 04:21pm

No, "family" does not imply mistaking dogs and cats for humans. The world is not binary, we don't have only two categories.

TDT's comments are quite severely misanthropic, and we don't need people who hate humans making decisions about humans any more than we need people who hate animals controlling the decisions made about animals.

by on 01/11/2011 04:34pm

Who is this "we" you speak of, and when were you given all of the decision making power?

And you are incorrect, "family" is a term that implies a same-species relationship. Calling a pet "family" IS humanizing that pet.

by on 01/11/2011 04:48pm

"Who is this "we" you speak of, and when were you given all of the decision making power?"

Um. Oh, dear.

Where exactly in that statement do you find me exercising "decision making power" is the simple observation that the world is not this/that, either/or ?

Even if, as is statistically unlikely, you are completely color-blind, you can still see many shades of gray. This is a concept that applies beyond merely vision. A dog is not a human; a dog is also not a stone. Very few people would feel the same way about swatting a mosquito as they would about accidentally stepping on any small animal.

The world is complex; it is not binary.

"And you are incorrect, "family" is a term that implies a same-species relationship. Calling a pet "family" IS humanizing that pet."

No, it's not. It may be a view of pets which you do not share, but you don't get to decide the makeup of my family. Dogs and cats are heavily selected for their ability to form social bonds with us, and denying it won't change that fact.

by on 01/11/2011 05:10pm

"Oh dear" is right!

"Where exactly in that statement do you find me exercising "decision making power" is the simple observation that the world is not this/that, either/or ?"

Look up, to your previous post. "we don't need people who hate humans making decisions about humans any more than we need people who hate animals controlling the decisions made about animals." There are a whole lot of judgements and assumptions being made in that statement, I'm afraid that your emotional carrying on is contiuing to diminish your credibility.

"Dogs and cats are heavily selected for their ability to form social bonds with us, and denying it won't change that fact."

More simply, social bond DOES NOT EQUAL family. Does that help?

Oh dear...

by on 01/11/2011 05:19pm

Ah, so it's a sweeping and unjustified assumption of authority on my part to express the opinion that we don't need misanthropes making decisions about what humans are allowed or required to do--but TheDogTrainer saying that humans should be spayed or neutered unless they can establish a large trust fund for the offspring is perfectly all right and NOT an unjustified assumption of authority.

Also, disagreeing with him/her/it and pointing out the misanthropy is an awful and discrediting display of emotion, but his/her/its misanthropy and your, ahem, _vigorous_ defense of him/her/it is calm, rational, and totally reasonable.

Got it.

(But I bet you don't get the extent to which I am laughing at you and your defensive over-reactions.)

by on 01/11/2011 04:16pm

Ah, but yet, this is what your government would like to force on the dog/cat owning public. What makes you think that they are better or more right?

Truthfully, more aggressive intact humans commit murder than do intact dogs....

My thought is: What is sauces for the goose, is sauce for the gander....You can't have it both ways.

by on 01/11/2011 04:40pm

First of all, unless you are outside the US, it's no more "my" government than it is yours.

Secondly, my local government does not mandate spay/neuter.

Thirdly, I don't support mandatory spay/neuter. I'm a strong advocate for people making an informed decision about what is best for their own individual pets and their own individual families. Very often that's going to be spay/neuter for the pet, at some point, not necessarily at the currently-typical six-month point. But it should be an informed choice, made by a loving owner with the advice of their vet.

So, you can ditch all arguments based on the theory that "my" government, or I myself, require or want to require mandatory spay/neuter for pets.

Fourthly, again, the world is not binary, and yes, we can have more categories than "human" and "property", and we can have different rules for humans and animals, because humans and animals are different, without ignoring the fact that animals are living beings with physical needs and the ability to feel pain and suffering, that mammals have brains structured and wired much like our own even though at lower and varying rates of complexity, and finally that dogs and cats in particular have been both self-selected and selected by us, for quite a few thousands of years now, to live with humans in strongly-bonded social relationships with us.

And so, yes, indeed, I can recommend to my neighbor that he and his cat will likely be happier if he has her spayed now that she's an adult, without thinking it makes sense to require him to spay his daughter because he can't currently set up a massive trust fund for her that would relieve her of the necessity of paying attention in class and eventually earning a living.

by on 01/13/2011 09:10pm

Bravo. Glad there is somewhere where the AR interests haven't re-defined animal ownership to mean animal abuse.

However, since HSUS at least is a global concern, I'd advise you to be very cautious about what laws you support with regard to animals. If they can do it here in the US, they can do it where you are too.

Beware the effect of unforeseen consequences.

by on 01/14/2011 01:16pm

Well, this HAS been an interesting thread. And it's hard to read DogTrainer. At first I read it simply as satire...then got worried by some of the rhetoric...but he/she does make apropos points. I'm not sure whether DogTrainer will agree, because, quite frankly, I can't figure out exactly where he/she is coming from. But from my perspective, MSN makes as much sense for pets as it does for humans...which is to say...not at all.

The decision to spay or neuter, is a personal one between owner and vet. And quite frankly, we need intact pets as well...or we will have NO pets. And while I vehemently support neutering of adult males...I do not support spaying of females at any age, unless medically necessary...and I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT IN ANY WAY, the s/n of neonates or puppies under the age of about 14 months.

As for pets being "family"...this is tough. After all, humans can be "family" without being related.
"a group of persons who form a household under one head, including parents, children, AND servants."
"a group of people who are generally not blood relations but who share common attitudes, interests, or goals and, frequently, live together: Many hippie communes of the sixties regarded themselves as families."
"Biology. The usual major subdivision of an order or suborder in the classification of plants, animals, fungi, etc., usually consisting of several genera."
(By virtue of this definition, we could be considered to be the "family of mammals").

Do I wish to anthropomorphize our pets? No, dogs are dogs and cats are cats and horses are horses, etc. They understand and react to the world as such. But, most pet owners refer to their pets as family...and arguably rightly so. But think for just a moment about how we speak to our pets, and the language we use in communication. I know very few humans who speak to the pets in strictly command language. We speak baby talk, we have pet names, we coo and giggle with them, we hold them on our laps, we buy THEM luxury items...and human children raised with pets, almost always consider them to be family. I consider my pets my family, and I AM a dog trainer, exhibitor and hunter. But my dogs ARE dogs...I expect them to behave and act within the world AS dogs. (I originally typed Gods...and maybe that's more true! )

Whether you technically wish to claim that dogs cannot be human family, is not nearly as important as whether they are TREATED AS family. And yes, they ARE property, as should remain as such...BUT, living property is considered as a separate category from jewelry or real estate. Which is why they do not need "rights" as such. Almost every state has cruelty and abuse laws ON THE BOOKS which insure that animals, ALL animals, should receive basic food, water and shelter. They simply are not enforced, due to budget issues, or lack of interest in prosecuting.

I also firmly believe that pets are NOT luxury items. I think when you move into the realm of breeding or owning too many (more than you can support), that perhaps that definition can be used...but pets are NOT luxury items. They should not be ONLY for the rich, nor be taxed.

As for all the human spaying and neutering...it always makes for obnoxious rhethoric...and usually as a venting mechanism...but it will not come to pass. Only because the instinct to procreate and continue one's species is FAR too strong...and unless we are willing to create life in a petry dish, and control all aspects of it's creation and development...it's a non-issue. And about as un-American a concept as one can hold.

As for the health benefits offered by our pets, I posted them in reply #22.

by on 01/11/2011 02:40pm

I have a feeling that you and I would get along famously. ;-)

by on 01/11/2011 02:38pm

"Yes, dogs/pets are luxury. Likely you would not be dead if not for your pet(Yes, I know that there are those who will say, MY dogs rescued me from a burning house....But, then, the house wouldn't have burnt, if your dog hadn't chewed the electrical cord...)"

There are plenty of documented instances of dogs or cats alerting owners to fires that were not started by the pets.

What an inane thing to say.

Also, well, it's nice that you don't suffer from clinical depression. I'm happy for you. But people who do are not morally inferior to you.

by on 01/11/2011 02:51pm

AMEN.

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by on 01/11/2011 04:20pm

I have thought pets as a luxury of sorts (as in, poor shouldn't have them because they might not be able to afford expensive vet bills) more in the past, though I think my perspective has shifted somewhat. Life has a pesky habit sometimes of teaching lessons that are sometimes hard/painful.

I still think that if you cannot afford basic care (food, shelter, basic vet care, etc., the basic stuff), then you shouldn't have pets, unless you're in an area that has and qualify for help in that regard (someone mentioned above a program kind of like meals on wheels for senior pet owners, and there are of course low cost speuters/vaccinations and things like that, and I think that's great). If you cannot afford to, say, feed a pet, and don't qualify or have access to a "meals on wheels for pets" type of program, then you're just not going to do a pet any favors. Bottom line, pets need basic care.

The point at which my perspective has shifted is when we're talking about things like unexpected, high vet bills. Do I think people should prepare for emergencies to the best of their ability? Yep!

However, with advancement in what we can do medically for our pets, with inevitable higher cost for such advancement, we seem to see a shift in what people believe one should be able to afford in order to be worthy of the "luxury" of a pet.

Hypothetical scenario: A dog gets hit by a car and suffers orthopedic injuries that will require $1000 surgery for the pet to walk again. The pet's family cannot afford the surgery. They can afford basic care, they even manage to afford the initial treatment and diagnostics to stabilize their dog and find out the extent of the injuries, but the surgery is just out of budget. They can, also, afford euthanasia.

There was a time at which that $1000 surgery wasn't an option and little could be done but euthanasia. Fortunately, we can do more and now that surgery is an option. Perhaps when that surgical option was new, the owners in my hypothetical scenario would not have been harshly judged for not being able to afford the surgery and thus being forced to elect euthanasia.

Now, though, the owners in my scenario might be judged for their inability to afford the surgery that has a high likelihood of allowing the dog to resume a good quality of life. How *dare* they even have a pet if they can only afford to euthanize when said pet would likely do well with the surgery? Many would see the decision to euthanize as little better than "convenience euthanasia" (i.e., cat no longer goes with decor, owners are moving and can't be bothered to take pet/find a place that allows pets etc., so has pet euthanized).

Many would say that euthanasia should *only* be performed when the pet is terminal and suffering and no other treatment would allow any sort of quality of life. Euthanasia in lieu of treatment that could provide quality of life or return the pet to health, i.e. euth for any reason less than terminal illness/pain that can't be mitigated is inhumane.

While I might have said this a few years ago, and while I do struggle with the idea of pets who could otherwise have a quality of life if treatment was provided being put down, I think this blanket, all-or-nothing stance is problematic.

Let's say the family in my above hypothetical scenario rescued their pet from the pound hours before its scheduled euthanasia. The dog had lived with them three good years before the accident. Would it have been preferable for the family to, realizing they wouldn't be able to afford unforeseen vet bills, choose not to adopt a pet and leave the healthy dog to die in the shelter and deny it three happy years? I think not.

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are pets a luxury
by on 01/11/2011 05:15pm

NO they are not a luxury. My Lab is a hypo alert dog. So if he is a luxury then I guess a cpap or bipap for someone who has trouble breathing at night is a luxury or an inhaler for someone with asthma is a luxury. All pets serve a purpose for their owners even if it is just company or emotional support.

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luxury?
by on 01/11/2011 06:59pm

In the past decade it has worked that way due to our "zero inflation" that has more than doubled the price of pet care & food.

My income hasn't doubled though. My dollars don't buy as much of basic necessities that was apparent just a year ago.

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Unnecessary
by on 01/11/2011 07:20pm

I think the definition of luxury is something that is unnecessary, such as expensive jewelery, a swimming pool, fur coats, fine wine, etc. Pets are no more necessary than these items so, yes, they are a luxury.

Furthermore, regardless of what the pet industry would like people to believe to the contrary, pets do not really make people happier. Basically, if a person isn't happy before they get a pet, they're not going to be happy afterward. And like someone stated above, pets can be a burden and often cause dissention in families.

by on 01/11/2011 07:51pm

Wow. All I can say is how sad for you if this is truly what you believe.

by on 01/11/2011 08:22pm

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wow does that smack of too many psych classes in college and unsubstantiated generalization.

Your response says a lot, and it's all very sad.

by on 01/11/2011 10:15pm

I felt a little sad just reading that comment. Even though they're a major source of stress, I couldn't imagine my life if my cats weren't a part of it.

by on 01/13/2011 09:08pm

Au contraire - we have ample documentation to show that children are healthier and have fewer allergies when raised with pets, that seniors are healthier and live longer if they keep pets.

Those who don't enjoy them don't have to have them, but some of us can't imagine life without them.

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by on 01/11/2011 08:30pm

Interesting thread.

I guess I am of the camp that just about anything beyond the very basic of needs (food, clothing and shelter) probably, by strict definition, falls into the realm of "luxury". And I don't think there's anything *wrong* with considering an animal a "luxury"; it does not (IMHO) negate in any way the positive benefits of having an animal or the strong bond of love that we feel for them.

TVs, cameras, computers, telephones, jewelry, more than one pair of shoes, vacations, cars, boats, etc., are all "luxuries". But as an animal lover, if I had to choose between "luxuries", I would choose owning and being loved by an animal over any the others mentioned above.

by on 01/11/2011 09:11pm

Thanks, Tiskers.

Vet bills are exactly why I have a 20 year old car. One must have priorities!

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Luxury ???
by on 01/11/2011 08:36pm

My Pet Kids are a work of Love, as My Sons, when they were at Home. They are men now, with wonderful Families of there own. So my Pet kids will not go to college, Hey We do not have to get them a car.......kinda silly...huh....For people who really know the true meaning of Love, Will UNDERSTAND, what I am saying, if not ...oh well..LOL

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What's in a name
by on 01/11/2011 11:26pm

You have to love the generosity of people who give free and usually unsolicited advice on how you should feel about your "just a dog" or "just a cat" :-)

I think "luxury" is one of those words that means different things to different people. If luxury refers to something we want but do not need, many if not most pet owners would say that their animals are definitely not a luxury. Whatever PETA has to say about this, there is a real void that animals fill in our lives. If I didn't agree with this, I wouldn't spend part of my time working for the SPCA hospital that caters to people who truly cannot afford to pay very much for the care of their companions. The director of this hospital firmly believes that people with low income, even homeless people, do not thereby lose their right to own an animal companion, and that there should be programs in place to make this possible. And "right" here is not the same as a sense of entitlement to low-cost or even free care, an attitude I've seldom seen in truly destitute people.

Then there is the world of breeding "designer" animals (for example, small brachycephalic dogs and extreme type Persian cats who inevitably suffer from respiratory problems) whom I consider to be true luxuries of the animal world. I make no apologies for my opposition to breeders in general and breeders of "designer" animals in particular, as breeding of certain animals is cruel. If a person has love to give to a dog or cat, I just do not see how such love can be reserved for only one type of dog or cat. It is not even a matter of there being millions of animals who already need a home, but a matter of some of these designer animals really and truly suffering from their inbuilt flaws. Some of these animals are sought out precisely for their weirdness, and for this I have no sympathy at all. Some are rescued by people who fully understand that their design can cause them problems. Heck, some are discarded by breeders as by-products of the production process because their flaws are obvious sooner rather than later.

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Need Homes
by on 01/12/2011 12:18pm

"Pets" are living, breathing, feeling creatures that need homes. Perhaps the pampered ones are luxuries, but for the majority of companion animals, they need care. We domesticated them so it's our moral responsibility to provide that care. The fact that so many are killed for lack of homes is reprehensible.

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Dods' point of view
by on 01/13/2011 08:58pm

Clearly you aren't considering the dogs' point of view. Dogs like to live with the people they are bonded to. A dog which is bonded to you will live happoily with you in your car, if that's where you end up. He'd rather be with you in your car than have to go and live with a stranger. If he's been bonded to you long enough, he may be unable, in practical terms, to live with someone else, however kind and thoughtful in a huge house and yard.

These laws aren't designed to protect animals, they are designed as tools to remove animals from people.

by on 02/09/2011 01:25pm

I have found this to be true of cats, too. While cats tend tobe more independent and aloof, they DO bond to certain people. My cats demonstrate this behavior every day.

My boyfriend doesn't understand why they hang out at the top of the stairs when we are in bed or in our studio (those are "cat free zones.") I tell him: They just want to be with us.

I've experienced the dog bonding with one person and not being able to bond to anyone else scenario, too. My last dog bonded with my mom while I was living with my folks. When I tried to move her out and in with me when I found a place, she turned on me. Luckily, Mom and Dad were willing to take her back. She lived a good, long life as "Mom's dog."

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Luxuries?
by on 01/13/2011 09:15pm

I'm with the poet who said ""... When did we not have poetry? This form of communication is purportedly as old as the earliest civilizations. Hence, it’s posited, we must harbor a quintessentially human need to engage in it."

We have documented evidence that dogs were domesticated 14,000 years ago. That means they were with us long before that.

Dogs and other pets may not be necessary to everyone, but to some of us they are. And we certainly shouldn't be deprived of them by people who have no interest in bonding with another species, however 'moral' they claim their lifestyle to be.

"I don't have a hands-on fondness for animals ... To this day I don't feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I’m kind to them, but there's no special bond between me and other animals." Wayne Pacelle quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 251.

by on 01/13/2011 09:39pm

well Wayne's quote about sums up what his goal for HSUS is, but then, he thinks Vick would be a good pet owner...amazing what $ will buy. I guess you could reason that some things ARE luxuries for sure...

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Are pets a luxury?
by on 01/14/2011 12:36pm

“The human-animal bond bypasses the intellect and goes straight to the heart and emotions and nurtures us in ways that nothing else can,” said Karin Winegar, whose book “Saved: Rescued Animals and the Lives They Transform” (Da Capo, 2008) chronicles human-animal interactions. “We’ve seen this from coast to coast, whether it’s disabled children at a riding center in California or a nursing home in Minnesota, where a woman with Alzheimer’s could not recognize her husband but she could recognize their beloved dog.”

I will admit I did not read through each and every comment on this thread, so perhaps someone has addressed this...but pets offer a huge number of both psychological and health benefits... I have offered just a few links...but "I" do believe, as do many others, that because of our long association that a true symbiotic relationship has developed and to break that would cause harm to human and pet alike. I have provided but a few links here, but I invite everyone to do a little googling and research on the health benefits of our pets.

http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/healthbenefits.htm

http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/features/health-benefits-of-pets

http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/health_benefits.htm

http://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2009/February/feature1.htm

No, they are not a luxury any more. Neither we nor they would be better if they became such.

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by on 01/28/2011 12:59pm

There is a huge difference between a basic necessities of life and a luxury and there is a lot in between.

Shelter, I can have a trailer or I can have a mansion.
Food, I can have oatmeal and milk and water, or I can have caviar and filet mignon.
etc.

Companionship is imporant. But so is caring for the things you own. I hate thinking that "the poor" shouldn't own pets, but I also hate to think of them going with out the basics to get their pets help. I'm also not a fan of thinking that I am subsidizing "the poor" so they can spend their money on things that aren't going to help them not be "the poor" any longer. It is a VERY touchy subject on what "the poor" should and should not have. Just look at the debate over if soda should be included in food stamps.

In a perfect world we would all be able to own pets and give them the care they needed, but unfortunately this is the world where there are human beings can't get the care they need.

When faced with "I can't afford" questions, my suggestion tends to are you sure and if you are then maybe you should look to rehome the pet. That way they can use the resources they were spending on the pet for food and the like can be used to help them get better off financially.

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Definitely not.
by on 02/09/2011 01:34pm

My cats have been my primary motivation for everything I have done in the past 15 years or so. Money is tight (because I choose to care for them,) and I live in a neighborhood I don't particularly like, but those cats mean everything to me, and we are managing.

We cover the basics for all of us, and vet care gets dealt with. I'm finally building up an emergency fund, and I have CareCredit for those "unforseeables." (Luckily, those have been few and far between.)

If it weren't for my cats, I'd be living a very different life. Possibly a freer one; however, because I chose to bring them into my life, I'm on a different path.

I also do not like the idea of telling the poor they shouldn't have pets. I admire folks like Dr. V who are working on bringing services to the poor so that they can keep their pets. It's a very compassionate thing to do. Animals do keep us healthy in so many ways, and they keep us socialized when we don't have people in our lives.

To me, pets are family (in the chosen family sense.) I have pets INSTEAD of children, but I don't tend to equate the two. They are very different relationships. Both, however, should be handled with the utmost care and compassion, and that means helping those who are less fortunate than ourselves. If we are willing to help poor parents, why not poor pet owners?

The quote by Pacelle, which I saw a long time ago, really shocked me, and I lost a lot of respect for HSUS. I've always been mostly at odds with PETA, too. I'm a member of the No Kill movement, and I fully believe that animals and humans can live in harmony. I just think most humans don't want to try. It's easier to maintain the status quo.

(Sorry I got off-topic at the end, there!)

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