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Bringing up baby: Can feral cats ever go home again?

October 26, 2010 / (41) comments


It’s a tough subject; one you might be surprised to hear gets plenty of play among those of us who spay and neuter lots of cats. Because while these specimens might be rough-looking and impressively aggressive, feral felines are not always the devil-cats they appear to be.

 

There they are in their plastic carriers and traps, hissing and spitting, ensuring that we scrub-clad veterinary types keep our distance. Most are lean and rangy. They seem like animals better suited to a zoo environment than to the suburban lifestyle they’ve learned to survive in. Little though they may resemble them, they’re genetically identical to the overfed housecats we humans have cultivated as pets.

Feral cats, we call them. They’re the common felids who have lived far enough outside human society to have reverted back to their non-domesticated ways. In fact, according to Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary, feral means, "having escaped from domestication and become wild."

In other words, feral is a term that, strictly speaking, applies only to those species that have once enjoyed a close proximity to humans. Feral raccoons, deer, and skunks, for example, do not exist. Cats, dogs, sheep, goats, and cows, even, can go feral. A cockatoo, however ... not so much. (The occasional individual cockatoo's ability to live well among humans notwithstanding, most will be forever willing to bite the s--- out of your finger before deigning to accept any human affection.)

Not so for the few species that have spent the last 10,000 or so years living symbiotically with humanity. To be sure, agriculture species top the charts. But dogs and cats play a mighty role, increasingly so over the past millennium or two, during which both canine and feline hunting abilities have been exploited for human gain, and only recently for the tenuously tangible purpose we’ve come to call "companionship."

Cats and dogs, in particular, were originally domesticated for their pest-nabbing, small-game fetching ways. Yet it was their fuzzy cuddle-ability that earned them passage into the living room, where they now reign.

For cats, it was their fierce independence and low stress/low expense keep-ability that earned them the status as most populous pet in America. After all, nothing beats a cat for easy, inexpensive keeping, and their intensely affectionate upside potential.

The margin between domesticated and feral, however, is slim enough for those of us who treat cats like family members to admit (if we’re being honest with ourselves) to having a tough time distinguishing between the cat that scurries away from us on our morning walk and the one whose fur coats our furniture, floors and clothing.

In part, that’s why every few weekends, veterinarian like me spend hours spaying and neutering these cats. Not only do we recognize that these are just like the animals that we treat as beloved family members, these are also the ones we’ve wronged by allowing them to stray outside the fold. So we make it up to them by controlling their numbers. Because we know population stability means a better life.

Still, we wonder, is it not better to bring them indoors? Is that not the holy grail of catdom?

I’d argue it’s not only what’s best for most cats but what best meets the needs of the local wildlife, too. Yet what’s ideal and what’s feasible are two very far apart things in the case of our ferals. Because once a cat has gone feral ... it’s tough to come back.

Over the past weekend I’ve had cause to consider this issue in more depth than usual. Not only did I have Friday’s discussion on the No Kill shelter model to consider (and the feral cat conundrum therein), but also the presence of one super-cute creature to take into account.

He goes by many names. Linus was his first (after his blanket love). Lazaro was the next moniker; inspired by his post adverse anesthetic "resurrection." That's the one that stuck, so we call him Laz. And he’s a cool character. In spite of his near-death event, he’s almost normal. But he’s still a fraidy feral cat that is currently living in the flue of my non-functional Florida chimney. (How he found that spot — and how he gets up there — is wholly beyond me since I never catch him going up there).

Sure, he comes out every once in a while to eat and pee and poo. And sure, I’m working hard on bringing him back into the land of normal cat–ness. But do I think he’ll make a great pet? In this case, yes. I do think he's capable of making a good "recovery" as he’s integrated into normal human society — with some help from me. But, I do not believe the average feral cat can be so "rehabilitated."

Not that it's never worth trying. My attempts should be proof enough that I believe it's doable. Yet I strongly believe that the average feral cat belongs where he or she currently resides: outside the immediate company of humanity. This is why I’m so big on TNR ("trap-neuter-release"): Because there’s not much we can do for most feral individuals in traditional shelters — in general, they’re no longer pets once they’ve gone feral. And because our dollars are best spent elsewhere. (Excoriate me for this take though you might.)

No, once they’ve "gone over to the other side," as it were, it’s tough to bring ‘em back. Yes, it’s feasible, but not supportable as a widespread policy. In fact, only in the event of 1) fundamental behavioral amenability (from the cat), and 2) extreme human dedication, does it ever come to pass.

Yet I’m still working on Laz, because I’m thinking he’s one cat I can rehabilitate. He's got a better than average disposition, and he's got a dedicated crew looking after him. After all, I brought him "back to life," so maybe — just maybe — I can bring him back into humanity’s fold, too. In spite of myself, the only question that remains is ... should I?


Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

PS: As usual, Christie Keith posted on this same topic over the weekend while I was writing up my own version of feral cat musings. I have no idea how she and I manage the same kinds of posts at roughly the same time, but here you have her interesting take on feral vs. afraid.

 

 

Pic of the day: "Little Laz" by Me

 

 

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COMMENTS (41)
1
taming a feral cat
by on 10/26/2010 02:41am

You're so right -- it CAN be done, AND it takes the right temperament in both the cat and human. I described the processes I and one of my readers went through in posts on my October 14 and December 2, 2009 blog for pet owners,at http://www.AnimalsReign.com/blog.

My mother also tamed a feral, starting when she was kitten. Her cat became domesticated but retained a wild streak throughout its life. My orange tabby became completely domesticated with a persistent 6-year effort.

Most people aren't going to be willing to put years into working with a cat to build its confidence and bring out the pet in it. I don't know that even I would take on the challenge again, in spite of how affectionate and interesting my orange boy turned out. The rest of his colony all went into the TNR program.

2
Short, Brutal Lives?
by on 10/26/2010 03:40am

Of course, people and organizations opposed to TNR often use the fact that these cats live outdoors as justification for killing them, though they seldom come right out and put it in those terms (some have actually suggested, presumably in all seriousness, that sanctuaries are an alternative to TNR). The disingenuousness of their “concern” borders on the absurd: given all the hazards feral cats face, well, it’s better to round up every last one of them so that we can kill them humanely.

These are the same folks, of course, who routinely claim that there are 100–160 million feral cats in this country. Somehow, I don’t think the math adds up—if it’s true that these cats live, as one conservation biologist puts it, “short, brutal lives,” then how is it they’re also so darn prolific?

Don’t get me wrong—I’d like to see every cat indoors. But the idea that their feral status makes them fair game for extermination (again, not the kind of language you’re likely to hear from TNR opponents—it tends to be bad for donations, I suppose) is ridiculous.

This post brings to mind a favorite quote, from Antoine de Saint-Exupéry’s 1943 novella, The Little Prince: “You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.”

Seems to me we have a social contract of sorts with the domestic cat—including ferals.

Peter J. Wolf
http://www.voxfelina.com

3
Tame a wild Cat
by on 10/26/2010 07:27am

Can be done, if the cat, likes you, Hard to get them to trust you, Grand-cat Charley was a feral kitten, We love and enjoy him.Yep he is wild and is Boss of his home.I THINK-HE-IS-COOL

4
by on 10/26/2010 07:56am

Since cats are such prolific breeders,and if reduction of the feral population is our goal,would it not be more cost effective to spay females only in any TNR or No/Low cost Spay/Neuter program.The male behavior problem could be addressed at a future time if and when numbers become more manageable?

5
ADD-ON
by on 10/26/2010 08:11am

Grand-Cat Charley,came from Pet-Mart, In his cage with other cats, he played, pick on others.My Daughter said:: thats is mine, he is a real cat.(Wild-Cat)....lol

6
Feral cats as pets.
by on 10/26/2010 08:44am

I have 6 fur babies, 5 are feral in the sense that they were rescued from the outside world. Ebony, my 8yr, 5lb kitty is doing great. The other 4 are siblings & are doing good. Sometimes they run from me, their primary caregiver. But when we are alone, they are very loving, friendly and jockey for position under the covers. They are very nervous at times with sounds or movements of other humans, but overall, I think they have adapted very well and may not survive outside again. I've had them all since they were about two months, so they were kittens, but the siblings were real afraid for quite awhile. Like I said they're all doing good. Always room for improvement.

7
TNR
by on 10/26/2010 09:08am

I truly believe that there are those ferals that could come back into the fold with a lot of perseverence. I also believe that TNR is the way to go for most ferals. I know of caregivers that can come into physical contact with the feral colonies they feed and sometimes they can find one or two that willingly return to domestication but mostly the cats function well without humans. It's a hard life for them, to be sure, but one they know and are well-equipped to live. Thank you so much for dedicating your time to TNR. I know how hard it is to spend a day processing feral cats with no compensation other than satisfaction. It IS a very rewarding experience knowing that their life will be easier without procreation when they return to their colony.

8
To Robert on spaying
by on 10/26/2010 09:12am

Good point but it's an impractical solution to single out the females. You trap whatever you can and take them as they come. Plus, it takes five times as long to spay than to neuter. It also costs more in materials to spay––easily five times a s much. Plus, there's this: Male territorial behavior is responsible for most viral disease transmission among feral felines. Conclusion: Gotta get the guys, too.

9
Feral cats
by on 10/26/2010 09:18am

Robert, when trapping a colony for TNR it is impossible to trap only females. Also, leaving the males intact until "later" would allow them to breed with females that have not yet been caught, and possibly with females from other colonies plus pet females that people let outside.

On topic, I agree that trying to make pets of ferals is not something that should be tried by just anyone. But, on the rare occasion and by someone that really knows what they are doing, it is possible.

I have a former feral. His name is Rascal and he REALLY lives up to his name. I got him when he was 1 1/2 years old. He is now 15 and he has been strictly inside for all of that time.

When I got him I was boarding my horses. A 16-year-old daughter of the owners, Dawn, trapped Rascal with some friends. He was still living with his Mom and living under a shed in the back yard of a woman who put food out for them.

Dawn brought him home with the thought of "making" him a barn cat. She put him in the observation room with water and food and a makeshift litterbox, which he obviously knew nothing about.

When her Dad went to the barn the next day and went to the observation room he had a fit. Rascal had peed and pooed everywhere and, since he was not neutered, the smell was pungent. He demanded that Dawn get rid of the cat. I happened to arrive shortly afterward. Dawn had managed to get Rascal back into the carrier and was heading out the back door of the barn. I saw her and asked what was going on. She explained what had happened and said that she was going to turn Rascal loose out on State land (which abutted their propety) so he could "live his life free!!!" Fox or coyote lunch is more like it. That is IF he found a way to survive. He had always been fed by the woman that cared for him and his Mom.

I couldn't let that happen, so I said I would take him. I took him directly to the vet and had him checked for lukemia, had him wormed, checked for pests and vaccinated. I took him home and put him a bathroom by himself with food, water and litterbox. He learned to use it because it was a small area and he had nowhere else to go. I had a couple of other cats and they introduced themselves to each other under the door. Eventuallly they were put together. They had no arguments.

For the first few years, Rascal would not let me get near him. He would run and cower, and put on the meanest face he could muster and hiss like crazy. Over time he improved. Now, at 15-years-old, He rubs my leg, lets me pet him, playfully swats my leg (without claws) when I walk by and makes me step over him if he happens to be laying down where I need to walk. He still panics at being picked up, but when he needs to go to the vet for check-ups or whatever, I can get him into a carrier and he is quiet at the vet's.

He has started what I call the "old-age-shrink" over the past year or so. He has lost some weight and is slowing down, so he may have six months or year or so to go. He might surprise me. I had one cat make it to 23! The vet has checked Rascal out and he is healthy. He still eats like a horse and still gets the "crazies" and attacks the catnip mouse and other toys.

So it is possible to take in a feral successfully, but it is not for everyone, and definitely not for someone that wants a cuddly, friendly pet. A feral is a LOT of work and requires a LOT of patience and understanding, and a LOT of time to get the cat to the point where it might even somewhat accept the person.

If someone wants to help a homeless pet and find a friendly pet, check out the shelters. They are SWAMPED with animals, especially with the economy like it is.

10
Feral cats
by on 10/26/2010 09:34am

Robert, when trapping a colony for TNR it is impossible to trap only females. Also, leaving the males intact until "later" would allow them to breed with females that have not yet been caught, possibly with females from other colonies plus pet females that people let outside.

On topic, I agree that trying to make pets of ferals is not something that should be tried by just anyone. But, on the rare occasion and by someone that really knows what they are doing, it is possible.

I have a former feral. His name is Rascal and he REALLY lives up to his name. I got him when he was 1 1/2 years old. He is now 15 and he has been strictly inside for all of that time.

When I got him I was boarding my horses. A 16-year-old daughter of the owners, Dawn, trapped Rascal with some friends. He was still living with his Mom and living under a shed in the back yard of a woman who put food out for them.

Dawn brought him home with the thought of "making" him a barn cat. She put him in the observation room with water and food and a makeshift litterbox, which he obviously knew nothing about.

When her Dad went to the barn the next day and went to the observation room he had a fit. Rascal had peed and pooed everywhere and, since he was not neutered, the smell was pungent. He demanded that Dawn get rid of the cat. I happened to arrive shortly afterward. Dawn had managed to get Rascal back into the carrier and was heading out the back door of the barn. I saw her and asked what was going on. She explained what had happened and said that she was going to turn Rascal loose out on State land (which abutted their property) so he could "live his life free!!!" Fox or coyote lunch is more like it. That is IF he found a way to survive. He had always been fed by the woman that cared for him and his Mom.

I could not let that happen, so I said I would take him. I took him directly to the vet and had him checked for leukemia, had him wormed, checked for pests and vaccinated. I took him home and put him a bathroom by himself with food, water and litterbox. He learned to use it because it was a very small area and he had nowhere else to go. I had a couple of other cats and they introduced themselves to each other under the door. Eventuallly they were put together. They had no arguments.

For the first few years, Rascal would not let me get near him. He would run and cower, put on the meanest face he could muster and hiss like crazy. Over time he improved. Now, at 15-years-old, He rubs my leg, lets me pet him, playfully swats my leg (without claws) when I walk by and makes me step over him if he happens to be laying down where I need to walk. He still panics at being picked up, but when he needs to go to the vet for check-ups or whatever, I can get him into a carrier and he is quiet at the vet's.

He has started what I call the "old-age-shrink" over the past year or so. He has lost some weight and is slowing down, so he may have six months or year or so to go. He might surprise me. I had one cat make it to 23! But he did not start his "shrink" until he was 22. The vet has checked Rascal out and he is healthy. He still eats like a horse and still gets the "crazies" and runs around and attacks the catnip mouse and other toys.

So it is possible to take in a feral successfully, but it is not for everyone, and definitely not for someone that wants a cuddly, friendly pet. A feral is a LOT of work and requires a LOT of patience and understanding, and a LOT of time to get the cat to the point where it might even somewhat accept the person.

If someone wants to help a homeless pet and find a friendly pet, check out the shelters. They are SWAMPED with animals, especially with the economy as it is.

11
by on 10/26/2010 10:12am

Tzegan, thanks for corraling all the ruffians back on topic, would not want to stray into talking about tnr... ??

On a less snarky note, I do wish all the grizzled pet welfare veterans would be a bit more welcoming of newcomers.

Off topic again, Dr Khuly, after several years I am starting to understand the dolitter moniker!

12
by on 10/26/2010 10:43am

Even though it might be a bit off topic,it seems to me that present TNR practices are making little if any dent in the feral cat over population.There is only so much money to spend it should be spent in the most effective way.One unaltered female in a colony will create a problem from a population control stand point where one male doesn't unless another female joins the colony.If you catch a male just release it for now even if it will be more difficult to catch later.As for costs it is still better to alter one female than 5 males. As for gender equality we have that now when we kill them.

13
Feral Cat Domestication
by on 10/26/2010 10:45am

Yes, I had successful experience domesticating a feral ginger cat named,"Red", about four months old. His litter mates
and Mother had been killed by coyotes. Actually, it was the neighbors' female domestic cat that did most of the work.
She groomed him and nurtured him, and obviously convinced him we humans were safe enough. At first he began coming inside to eat when I wasn't there. Then, I'd leave the door open a crack when I was gone. Finally I saw that he'd slept on by bed. After that, it was just a matter of time for him to develop trust. He became a happy guy who ruled the roost!

14
by on 10/26/2010 10:51am

I like to think feral cats are my specialty, having had a good 15 ferals out of my 30 cats over the past 30 years. I have yet to find one that I couldn’t eventually re-socialize. Eventually is the key word. My hardest task took 3 years before I could actually pet her. I used a stick to touch her from a distance for the first year, so she would get used to the sense of touch. I would stroke her back with the stick just like petting her. Then another two years of just holding my arm out to let her walk under it, letting her think she was petting herself at her own will. She lived to be 21.5 years old, a completely loving being that spent more time in one’s lap than in any other spot in the house.

15
by on 10/26/2010 12:37pm

Yes, it can be done. My parents took in a cat and her kitten about 30 years ago. The cat had belonged to a neighbor who had, shockingly, been murdered in her home. The cat had been on her own for a couple of years, living on the streets, eventually taking residence in our backyard lumber pile. She would not approach my father or allow her kitten out when any of us were around. My father started putting food out and would watch unseen as she came out, checked the area, and called her kitten to share the food. Gradually the food was moved closer and closer to the house until one day, we caught the kitten. Soon after, we lured the mother indoors. The kitten came over first, unsurprisingly - he was a skinny little thing and food and attention did their work. The mother took many months more, until one day it was as if a switch had been flipped, and she "remembered" that humans and the comforts of a human home were good. She turned into a very social and affectionate cat.

I'm sure it is harder with cats who have never known a human home, but the ones who have had one and become homeless - the memories can kick in.

16
There is more to TNR
by on 10/26/2010 01:19pm

We do not re-abandon our family members.

http://tnrrealitycheck.com/studies.asp

17
(Sur)reality Check
by on 10/26/2010 04:34pm

The appropriate course of action, apparently, is to exterminate our family members. Thanks for the clarification.

18
Feral Cats
by on 10/26/2010 04:52pm

I moved into a neighborhood with a host of feral cats. I began feeding them and then trapping and neutering them. Every single one of them domesticated itself and they are all living as indoor cats that might go out once a day, but definitely "get" that inside is much better.
Two are with me and they weren't kittens when they showed up. One was about seven months old and took almost 18 months to come in the house, but now she doesn't go more than ten feet from the back door, spends any time my lap is available in it and sleeps in bed with me right along my side.
The other was about 18 months old when he showed up, but he "got" being indoors immediately and his biggest decisions now are which part of the cat tree to sleep on.
Feral cats may look ferocious and perhaps some can only be outside, but in my experience, they simply need a home to be in and that's the choice they will make themselves.

19
Wild Cats
by on 10/26/2010 08:07pm

Yes please don't give up! All five of my cats have been wild and I wouldn't change a thing. Wild cats seem so grateful. It's easier when they are younger to re-home and my longest hold out was 3 months long but we won her over and she is a really great addition to my critter family. Patience and a lot of tasty treats... Also keeping ours confinded has really helped they can't hide were we are unable find them even the one that I thought was going to scratch my eyes out. She is now my best buddy!

20
Absolutely!
by on 10/26/2010 09:58pm

"the only question that remains is ... should I?"

The answer is: Absolutely!

I took in a feral Himmie and it took a full year, working with her at least once an hour during the hours I was home and awake. I didn't dare attempt to get close to her because she would have ripped me apart out of fear. However, I suspect she must have been part of a feral colony because she was terrified of humans, but loved other kitties.

The breakthrough came when she ran into the bedroom one morning, flew up onto the bed and buried her face in my armpit. Turns out she had a dingleberry stuck to her backside and couldn't get it off. Somehow she knew I'd take care of it. The taming process came much easier after that.

She was definitely worth the work and turned into a wonderful, beautiful and cuddly lap cat. It's hard to even think what would have happened to her had she not become a part of my family.

Your Laz has a great start and a wonderful support system. The patience will pay off.

21
Your words Pedro
by on 10/26/2010 10:56pm

Not mine. I vote for taming.

22
by on 10/26/2010 11:05pm

I have yet to meet a feral I can't tame ;-) Most of my current brood started out as ferals - most as adult ferals in fact. Today, they're all mushballs. It takes patience, love, compassion and respect for the animal. When you do tame a feral and give him a home, it's extremely rewarding because you know you've made such a difference in that animal's life and usually, they know it too. Ferals in my experience are quite appreciative when they bond with a human. Sadly, none of us can help every feral out there but if the opportunity/space presents itself, don't hesitate thinking that a feral is not tamable. More often than not, they are and they can go on to make great pets. Laz is adorable and very lucky to have found a fearless group of caregivers. Good luck with him.

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by on 10/27/2010 12:25am

For their own protection, cats are of course better off indoors. But suppose there are feral cats who just will not be re-domesticated, or never get that opportunity? Are their lives less valuable because no human has an emotional attachment to them?

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by on 10/27/2010 03:44pm

One of the kittens we adopted a few years ago apparently spent some of her early life in a parking lot. She won't use a litter box with any kind of litter (we've tried many) but is quite happy to use one that's empty. She hides from strangers and runs if either of us walks directly towards her but is otherwise affectionate, plays with us, sleeps at the foot of the bed, likes belly scritches, is fine with our veterinarian, etc.

So, based on observation of an N of one, some feral cats can become quite acceptable pets. It's a good thing she's perfecly reliable in her empty litter box habit though, I can't see how one would break a no-litter policy with confinement to a small area.

(But watching her dig an imaginary hole, using it, and then covering up her waste with imaginary um... stuff is boggling. I'd love to be able to read her mind.)

25
Ferals I have known
by on 10/27/2010 05:47pm

It appears to me that most lost/strays/ferals are initially afraid of humans and lost cats get more so over time if left out. I have fostered three cats that were considered "truly feral" only to find that it is possible to redeem them. My most current foster is a 4 year old female who came from a dismal situation in a shopping center where she hid under bushes all the time. Even the local vet made no effort to help her because she was "hopelessly feral" as they put it. I put her in a room alone for a few weeks when I caught her yet she wanted to visit with my own cats and specifically fell in love with one. She was then allowed to go anywhere she wanted but chose to hiss at and avoid me. This lasted for five months. However, as she came to eat with my other cat, while she was rubbing him, I was rubbing her! Now she comes to me for patting and we are only nine months into the process. this cat has the sweetest soul of any cat i have met--i love her.

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by on 10/27/2010 10:15pm

pilotom - awesome! And yes, ferals are very loyal once tamed.

Dr V - Are the lives of the dozens if not hundreds or more of native wild animals that will be killed by that re-abandoned feral not worth anything? How about the contamination from cat feces? You treat hookworms, roundworm, etc., once and soon enough, those parasites will be back - it's not like these cats get REGULAR vet care! How about toxoplasmosis? How about the rights of property owners who don't want cats on their properties? Cats will never go extinct, but many of the animals they kill ARE in serious decline and need all the help they can get. They don't need to contend with cats on top of everything else they face.

27
Contending with cats
by on 10/28/2010 12:39am

I'd get more excited about the danger from feral cats if real danger wasn't from yet another Walmart/Costco/Mall/McD's parking lot or more houses made of ticky-tacky.

The problem is people. Let's have a great deal more spaying and neutering for the bipeds, that would take care of warming, ozone, and oil depletion too.

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by on 10/28/2010 01:11am

Will - you go further than even I would dare :-) But it is indeed hypocritical of humans to insist on purity of wildlife and preservation of native species *only* in a given habitat. We upset that balance long ago, and striving to restore it in its past form is hardly a feasible task.

TNRisNOTeffective - I never suggested the lives of native wild animals are "worth nothing." What distinguishes feral cats from just another wild species, and therefore worthy of living, is 1. they are not a native species and 2. so many people are up in arms to protect them that the cats bear the brunt of conflicts between humans. If you choose to exterminate feral cats because they are not native species (despite living as wild animals and doing their part for natural selection of other animals), why not wild horses too? They are not a native species to North America either. But of course they're not as bothersome to people as feral cats, and this appears to be a huge factor. You're right about the unpleasantness to property owners and the potential to carry parasites, but how is this different from any other wild animal apt to find itself in your back yard?

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Humans are the problem
by on 10/28/2010 02:28am

Any time they allow a cat to roam freely, dump or abandon one, or release one through TNR - all human caused actions that result in wildlife mortality through predation and disease transmission.

Feral cats are domestic cats (Felis catus) and are not a wild species.

Cat predation on wildlife is not natural selection. The population of the domestic cat is vastly larger than all native predators combined. They hunt for sport and they are subsidized. They do not add to biodiversity - they deplete it.

http://tnrrealitycheck.com/barn_cats.asp

As for feral horses, check out the fact sheet from TWS:

http://wildlifeprofessional.org/blog/?p=2571

I am not going to hug the raccoons or skunks passing through my yard. People pick up, hug, and pet outside cats. Lots of these 'ferals' are not so feral, but still part of colonies. This is not good for public health. And the coons and other wildlife that are NOT just passing through are eating at those feeding stations.

There is a lot of collateral damage to this TNR method. We may not be able to turn the clock back, but we don't need to exacerbate things either.

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by on 10/28/2010 08:38pm

We both agree that humans are the problem. As things stand now, humans do not get punished for creating the problem. So I admit that I have an emotional stake in the matter, but I think it's unfair to punish the cats and them alone.

Truly feral cats do not waste their prey or expend their energy killing for sport. This is the province of well-fed cats. Neither do truly feral cats allow themselves to be picked up and cuddled - and probably don't look halfway presentable for that. Again, these are loosely owned cats. I have no illusions about the lives of feral cat: they are indeed worm-ridden, can be plagued by illnesses that take their lives, and do not live very long. Sanitizing our society by getting rid of these cats continues to give humans the false impression that abandoning pets or failing to sterilize them is no big deal: out of sight, out of mind. I want the ugly problem to be in people's faces, as I don't see how else people can finally be brought to justice.

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by on 10/29/2010 02:07pm

Humans should get punished, but unless we have good cat licensing and anti-roaming ordinances that are enforced, as well as for pet abandonment, that won't happen. We don't have free-roaming/feral dog problems (in most places in the US) because years ago these laws were created and enforced. The CDC has stated that the reason canine rabies has been eliminated in the US is due to licensing, vaccination, and stray dog CONTROL (not by 'managing' and subsidizing free-roaming packs of dogs). TNR undermines responsible pet ownership and enables pet abandonment.

Unfortunately, groups like Alley Cat Allies want to do away with any and all kind of regulations pertaining to domestic cats.

We have possibly over 100 million ferals in the US. Those not being cared for are going to live shorter, unhealthier lives. But any in colonies, ARE going to be well-fed and thus better able to breed if they have not been trapped and fixed, and better able to hunt.

TNR has become the default for ANY cat, friendly or feral, that cannot be placed.

You may be interested in the three peer reviewed publications at the link below that discuss cat predation and TNR, starting with the Impacts paper:

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/tnr.html

As for worm-ridden:

Watch the videos, too.

http://www.justnews.com/health/25468171/detail.html

http://www.justnews.com/news/25556274/detail.html

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I have one.
by on 10/29/2010 03:47pm

Love'im to death, notched ear and all. For pictures and the story of his taming, see http://www.catster.com/cats/944189. It can be done, with some big BUTs. They might attach to just one person in the family (usually the woman) and be skittish around the rest. They may never warm up to any house guest. If it's a male, the chances of taming are better, usually. Is it worth the effort? Of course! Any animal who can be led back into a tame life of a regular pet, albeit with some limitations, and spared the fate of living a feral life is worth the effort. I get reminded of that every morning (no fail), when getting up entails removing a purring furry form sleeping on top of my head. And I am a dog person:)

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by on 10/30/2010 12:29am

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Certainly not everywhere, and not always. In my days as a vet student working summer at a hospital in Northern Ontario, we euthanized trapped feral cats by the dozen. Nobody enjoys doing this and it eats away at people who have to do this, so I admit that my position is informed by emotional experience. The same is true of most people with a passion, if only they'd admit it.

There's nothing I'd like better than to see ordinances passed and enforced against roaming and abandonment of cats, with monetary fines that hit where it hurts. I think the paradox is that cats are not seen as important enough to undertake this costly and likely unpopular bit of law-making. Do you know of any municipality that is enforcing such ordinances? (Not a rhetorical question.)

I have read the articles you mention, and there is no denying that *outdoor* cats kill birds; I'm not prepared to argue about the exact numbers and the methods of the study. What would be interesting is a study done by people equally indifferent to cats and birds :-) So of course outdoor cats are not a gift to their natural environment, and my support of TNR is a choice of what I feel is the lesser of two evils, but an evil nonetheless.

The link to the wild horses site is also very informative and dispassionate - thanks for posting it.

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by on 10/30/2010 12:32am

Oops - my first passage was a response to your:
"TNR has become the default for ANY cat, friendly or feral, that cannot be placed."

Quotation didn't post at the top of my message.

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feral cats
by on 10/30/2010 02:10am

It's such a heart-wrenching problem. And it has no good solution. I agree that TNR is the lesser of two evils, and I absolutely agree that no tame cat should ever be released into a feral colony. Unfortunately, it's very hard to legislate brains or responsible behavior, especially in less urban, more backwards areas, where attitudes towards sterilization and roaming are so outdated. In Montgomery county, Maryland, there was a proposal to force people to keep their pet cats indoors. There is now mandatory licensing for cats in my local jurisdictions, but "catching" people who abandon their cats outdoors would be very hard. It's totally sad, considering the suffering inflicted on these cats by irresponsible human behavior. Those of us adopting and rescuing homeless dogs and cats are painfully aware of this problem, and we do what we can. It's a drop in the bucket though, which is totally depressing.

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Friendly feral to NYC?
by on 10/30/2010 03:15am

We had three kittens born in 2008 in my family's suburban home. One has since vanished. Two are left. A colony of true ferals have since also showed up. One of the two kittens (now adult, I guess) is super friendly; he follows us around in the yard; now-and-then lets us pet him as he eats ... and even allows himself to be picked up. I also even recently got him to step into the den by pulling in the bowl of food at the door inside to the carpet and laid there in his face as he ate. It's been three years since my 18yo cat died this Thanksgiving. And I really want to bring this one inside to my small apartment in NYC. Would be a big change. He seems unlike any feral I've read described in posting after posting on different sites. But am still worried about how to manage him early on if I do this. He was TNR'd last summer, by the way. And even de-flea'd over the summer. Any advice? Words of encouragement? Discouragement? Should he be crated at first? Should I bring him to the vet before I bring him into my apartment. Any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated...

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by on 10/30/2010 12:39pm

Of course. This does take a toll on shelter workers and anyone who must make those decisions about who can live and die and perform euthanasia. Perfectly understandable. But, there are also those who must euthanize (or try desperately to save) the wild animals that are attacked by cats and brought to rehabilitation centers. Certainly, this is never the fault of the cat, but that does not change the outcome for that wild critter.

Any time a cat is let loose, that is a choice that results in wildlife deaths, but we are 'removed' from the results. Out of sight, out of mind.

Either way, that type of work - not everyone is cut out to do that. Not everyone can work in an animal shelter, or a prison setting, or as a grief counselor, or as a pediatric oncologist. Point being, if the toll is too much, one has to reconsider, because then one does not do his/her work properly or in the best interest of his/her charges.

It is this emotional factor that makes TNR so popular - not because the method is effective or good for public health or the environment or neighbors, which is why, IMO, TNR is a self-indulgent or feel-good method.

And yes, cats are not valued, not nearly the same way as dogs. Cats are the most popular pet yet seen much less for regular check ups at the vet. That is also why I am against TNR - the method does not place value on the animal. I can't see that any vet would ever tell his/her client for a cat that: coming in once for the life of the cat is fine, one rabies shot for the life of the cat is fine, roaming is fine, a straw bed in a Rubbermaid bin for shelter is fine, eating and maybe drinking once daily is fine, not treating regularly for illnesses and parasites is fine and so on - yet this is the reality for many cats in managed colonies. If these conditions were taking place in homes, this would border on abuse - rescuers would never adopt out to those people, yet this is acceptable for colony cats. That is why I do not like the method - it sets up two standards of veterinary care for the same species of animal, and there are professional and ethical (and even legal) issues that come into play as a result.

I do know of municipalities that are good about enforcement, but I think that works best when you have residents who are willing to follow through, file complaints, and when the local public health officials issue tickets, and/or if one has an effective ACO (animal control officer).

As for laws, what is incredible to me is that there are still many towns/states that do not even require a rabies vaccine for owned pet cats - and cats are the ones that are roaming! They are the ones eating at feeding stations, mixing with rabies vector species, and are the leading carrier by far among domestic animals for rabies.

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Re: friendly feral to NYC
by on 10/30/2010 06:08pm

NYCOz:

What a difficult situation! This young cat depends on you for food and at least some companionship, but is used to being outdoors. He may never be a happy indoor-only cat, but you won't know until you try. Either way, this cat needs vaccines for his own and your protection if you continue interacting with him. You want to take him to a veterinarian who treats cats as cats (not as small dogs), so you would need to do some homework to find one. A cat-only vet is the best, since we don't know if this kitten had encounters with dogs or if they were frightening, but if so, then the smell and sound of dogs in the hospital can make his first vet visit more stressful than it needs to be. It sounds like it wouldn't be hard to lure him into a carrier with a little bit of food. If he's calm and relaxed in the carrier (and this might take a few times in-out), put the carrier in the car for a few minutes, then a few minutes longer. Then take him on a short drive without going to the vet. The idea is to get him used to the routine before you actually take him to the vet, but you should only do this if he's not fighting to get out - you will never teach an animal anything while they're frightened. The alternative is just to bite the bullet and take him to the vet as soon as he's walked into the carrier for the first time, and then deal with any emotional fallout once you have a vaccinated and dewormed cat :-)

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Re: friendly feral to NYC
by on 10/30/2010 07:48pm

DrV:

Thanks for the advice and kind words. Getting him into a carrier won't be difficult at all. I was back out at my family's house today from the city and just spent some great quality time with him. He did the leg rub, followed me around, let me pet him -- and a deep pet, not just the gentle meek head rub. Picked him twice and carried him for a few feet twice. He ate 10 inches from my face when I had bowl on the edge of the door ledge and laid belly down. He even peed in front of me -- and that gave me some paws. He followed me as I went to go throw garbage, then ran around to the neighbor's front lawn, backed up against a pretty push and an intense horizontal stream of pee came out. He's neutered -- but was neutered at like 18 months (he is like 30 months now) -- so am hoping this is outdoor territory marking and that he'll take to the box if/when I take him to the city. Am planning on bringing him in to the city when i have a week off three weeks from now.

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Advice?
by on 11/06/2010 01:13am

He is awesomely adorable. Looks like my 4 year old boy kitty.

Here is a question for you and your readers with experience in this:

My mom has been feeding a cat on her porch for 4 years. When she first started feeding him, he seemed fairly tame, and over time, got more skittish. If anyone other than my mom approaches while she is putting down food, he bolts. But she says with her, he lets her pet him while he is eating, and she has evern been able to feel his underbelly. He has rubbed against her, and talks to her.

We think he mostly lives in a thin patch of trees about 20 feet wide by 1 block long which separates her porch and the condo coplex she lives in from homes on the other side of the street.

On rare occasion, he has seemed to want to come in the house, but she won't let him in. She has a very yappy maltese, who would certainly scare the cat so that he might not so soon return.

Last year we had about 3 feet of snow and cold temps. We were both sure the cat was dead. I had gotten a "Feral Villa" which she put on her porch, but he has never gone in it.

Neither of us is comfortable with him spending another winter outdoors. We have that gut feeling that his luck will run out. But of course guess who is being expected to take him in? And as it is, I have 4 of my own, plus a foster.

Nonetheless, I will not forgive myself if "Ghostie" disappears this winter.

Does he sound like a cat that could be re-habituated to domestic life? (My best guess is that he was a foreclosure abandon 4 years ago.)

He has never let me get within 20 feet of him, although one day we did play a little game of "call and response" from acros the street. That was as close as I got. He runs when I come.

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by on 11/07/2010 01:48am

Stefanio, at the link below you will find a playpen. These are excellent for taming and easy to clean around the kitty who will normally stay on the top shelf. Search on the Internet for how to tame feral cats from reputable sites.

http://www.midwesthomes4pets.com/category/default.aspx?maincatid=14&subcat=2&submenu=0&catid=15


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