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Two dollar eggs vs. four dollar eggs ... How do YOU vote?

November 30, 2010 / (47) comments


Almost every time you go to the supermarket for a big haul, you’ll be treated to a modern dilemma: Do I buy the cheapo two dollar eggs, or the "cage-free" ones that tend to cost twice as much per dozen?

 

Do the more expensive eggs taste better? Are they healthier? Does it mean the egg-laying hens’ lives are more comfortable and humane? Even if we can credibly say yes to all of the above, is that difference worth the two-buck premium?

The answer I received from a veterinary student at Western University last week was, effectively, not really:

When you see these eggs side by side on the supermarket shelf they look exactly the same. Why would someone [like me] pick the one that costs twice as much?

Just ahead of this query, I’d spent an hour lecturing to the "Vet Issues" class at our nation’s newest veterinary college on a wide variety of poultry concerns: animal welfare, animal economics, green marketing, U.S. food policy, human health, and human nature, among others. If it affects the birds we grow for food, I tried to fit it in.

Which is probably why I didn’t have a good answer, so tunnel visioned was I from attempting to sustain a 35,000-foot vista on my subject. Hence, I’d be mulling it over for more than a week before a decent reply could be managed.

Not that I didn’t try. Here was my first attempt:

You think $4 is expensive? Living with laying hens, as I do, I will never ever make the mistake of believing supermarket prices have anything to do with the real price of eggs. We have lost touch with what food really costs due to farm subsidies, a vertical integration system that shorts its animal entities, and a variety of practices designed to streamline production — which are often detrimental to animal welfare, the environment, and sometimes to human health, as seen in last August’s egg recall.

Paying $4 for eggs when a two-dollar dozen is right next to it is just like voting. Every single time you buy those $4 eggs, you inform the egg industry that you care about what those four-buck eggs stand for: animal welfare, food safety, and environmental sustainability, among other social concerns.

And what’s a $2 difference anyway? You’re likely to be spending a buck on a high-fructose corn syrup-based beverage at least a couple of times over the course of those eggs-in-your-fridge lifespan. Care to compare the true value of these two disparate offerings? Ultimately, it's the fact that we're so out of touch with what food really costs and how it's made that we actually believe $4 is a pricey dozen —when indeed the American egg is perhaps the cheapest protein on planet Earth.

OK, so that’s roughly what I said (though it no doubt sounds neater in print). Yet it didn’t sound quite right when it came out of my mouth. Perhaps it wasn't the whole story, and maybe it wasn't really addressing the heart of the matter.

At first, I worried about the issue of "voting" for the right thing. After all, the labels on these cartons are so confusing! And no one wants to pay extra for something that isn’t what they think it is, right?

To that end, I’ve compiled a quick (and USDA-referenced) guide to what the common labels mean:

Organic : Here’s what the USDA’s Amber Waves publication (on the economics of the ag industry) has to say:

While eco-labels for poultry and eggs — such as free range, natural, cage-free, and no antibiotics — have proliferated for years, only the organic label is regulated by USDA and addresses the range of concerns cited by consumers.

This statement asserts that USDA’s regulatory muscle is brought to bear with respect to the minimum standards and compliance issues related to organic labeling. But it also says "free-range" and "cage-free" are voluntary labels that are neither required nor vetted by any regulatory body or third-party source.

Too true. All those "cage-free" labels? They may or may not be indicating what you think they are, the fickly unregulated definitions of "cageless" and "freedom" being what they are in animal agriculture these days.


Humane Certified: This label is akin to the "Good Housekeeping" seal of approval. It’s designed and delivered by the AHA (American Humane Association), which attempts to set standards for the humane treatment of animals via this free market. Voluntary vehicle producers can choose to apply these labels to their cartons or not. Whether these AHA standards make the grade is another issue, but let it suffice to say that I believe any standards above the USDA’s milquetoast regs (even for organic products) can only be a good thing.

Yet even after evaluating these consternation-inducing issues, I came to the conclusion that it didn't rightly matter whether the carton says cage-free or home-grown or happiest-birds. The bottom line is the same. You are informing the number-crunchers of this world that you care about hens and how they, their eggs and even their waste are treated. And these pencil pushers are telling the rest of the world how YOU vote...

These choices will inevitably trickle down to even the lowest common denominator producers and will ultimately inform the kind of oversight producers are subject to.

So you should buy those $4 eggs if you believe in what they represent, not only because casting a vote is a good thing, but because it's the right thing to do. This is what I think was missing from my original answer:

Buying $4 eggs is a moral choice. Unless you truly cannot afford an extra $2 a week (and not because you're investing in Dunkin' Donuts and Coke), believing in more humane, more sustainable, healthier eggs means you are morally obligated to pay the premium.

What if the $2 eggs are right next to the $4 eggs and you can't resist?

Well, you wouldn't steal the cheaper dozen if you knew you wouldn't get caught, right?

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Pic of the day: "Natural eggs" by Me

 

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COMMENTS (47)
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Eggs
by on 11/30/2010 01:41am

I actually do buy the $4 eggs as my way of "voting." And I try to cast the best "vote" I can by reading all the information on the cartons. So far I'm going with Country Hen.

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I agree!
by on 11/30/2010 03:07am

I would LOVE to have the opportunity to buy $4 eggs at my local supermarket, but they don't offer them! I live in central Illinois, the farm capital of the world and our grocery stores are woefully behind the times when it comes to this issue. I think it's because we are also in and area controlled largely by coprorate farms. I would gladly pay a higher price for those eggs and I've been looking for free range chicken to buy for a while now! It's definitely not encouraged around here. I wish I had the cojones to go vegetarian, but I really like meat!

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The price of eggs.
by on 11/30/2010 06:00am

Dr. Patty Khuly:

Tell me about Walmart's comparative profit margin on the $2.00 and $4.00 eggs, essentially, their vote, and I'll tell you what my vote is.

BTW: I like the way you write. It's kind of an impish-intellectual style. Sometimes when you proofread, do you find yourself thinking, "Not bad, not bad at all?"

Good column! I'm with you about 50-50, but you, at least, make me ponder.

Thomas P. Schmitt

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Free Range Eggs
by on 11/30/2010 06:27am


It's my understanding that "free range" doesn't necessarily mean blue skies and what we perceive as truly free range. Access to sunshine and the outdoors is many times very limited.

But it's a step in the right direction.

Yup, I vote by paying $4 for a dozen eggs and would purchase eggs from an independent farmer that truly has free range if I had the opportunity. Interestingly, the items labeled "Free Range" are almost always completely gone at my grocery store ~ you'd think they'd get the hint.

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by on 11/30/2010 07:05am

2 buck eggs for me washed down with 2 buck chuck

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by on 11/30/2010 07:07am

In vet school, we got our eggs from a dear friend who was engaging in a free-range chicken-raising experiment. (Conclusion: what happened to all the chickens?! Unfortunately, coyote attrition made it ultimately a failed experiment) I really miss those days, because I could SEE where the eggs came from. Alas, I have also seen exactly what "free-range" actually means for some eggs, and I don't particularly feel like rewarding producers for letting chickens out for 10 minutes a day and slapping on misleading marketing terms. I get my eggs from farmer's markets when I can. Alas, with winter upon us, that option is drying up.

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by on 11/30/2010 08:00am

I get the cheapest eggs I can, which is 1.39/dzn today. Since I prepare raw food for all my animals and my dogs get an egg each a day, I can go through a carton of eggs in 5 days. The difference in price pays for the beef heart to go with the eggs. The eggs with the sturdiest shells and bright yellow yolks are actually the most inexpensive - from Sav-a-Lot.

I long ago gave up believing that free range meant anything - it's just a marketing tool for the gullible.

Locally produced eggs may not be any better. Depends on the husbandry.


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how about real eggsfor $3
by on 11/30/2010 08:03am

I live in factory farm country and doubt the "cage free" label or even the organic label means much if anything in a regular supermarket context.

I do buy my eggs from a real life farmer who delivers them personally and charges $3 per dozen - and $1 for a 5 pound bag of dog bones.

Pay and vote for real life differences, not marketing gimmicks.

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$4 eggs
by on 11/30/2010 08:07am

Interesting concept. I'm going for it!

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$4 eggs??
by on 11/30/2010 08:19am

I, too, try to vote with my $$$. I pay the extra price for the eggs because I want my consumer voice to be heard. I also pay the price for organic produce. Are we being duped by the marketing? Probably. If only we could all have access to local farms with fresh eggs.....

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Marketing
by on 11/30/2010 08:54am

"Free range" is a now-meaningless term, like "all-natural" or "holistic" that has been eagerly hijacked by the corporate marketers who cackle like PT Barnum at the gullibility of the suckers who part with double the money for it.

What you are telling them is "Please continue to tell me pretty lies, and I'll continue to not ask probing questions."

"Pastured" is your best bet now. But it's not regulated, so it's only a matter of time before the screwheads start plonking 10,000 hen barn-units down in the middle of a dustbowl and labeling the eggs as such.

My advice is to find a farmer at a farmer's market, research her practices, and make your peace with how the hens (and meat chickens, pigs, cows, sheep, goats, turkeys) actually *live.*

Every time farmers who CARE about animal welfare and consumer and environmental health settle on some words to describe their husbandry practices, industrial agra is not far behind in stealing the words while debasing the practices.

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by on 11/30/2010 09:05am

I'm a senior citizen on an extremely limited income, trying to eat as healthy as possible. Eggs are a good source of nutrition for me.
However, I not only cannot afford the $4 eggs, I will seek out the store with the $.89 dozen.
Totally a matter of stretching my limited income as far as I can.

People are very concerned about the care of the animals and say consumers want overwhelmingly want cage free and humane care, but I truly believe that there are MANY MANY in my position who are not speaking up.

We're consumers as well. We're out there in huge numbers. I feel like this movement is throwing us under the bus.

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$4.00 Eggs
by on 11/30/2010 09:06am

I do buy the $4.00 eggs. We have a weird mindset,we buy cheap food and pay for expensive health insurance.

If we eat healthier food,our insurance costs would go down.

Chickens that are raised with room to grow and are not loaded with
antibiotics,don't peck each others eyes out living in there own filth have to be
better for us? Right? If we eat food that the animals are so sick and stressed out,what benefits are we getting? Our kids are developing to fast and our bodies can't fight off the new super germs that we are consuming through animals that are pumped up with hormones and antibiotics.

Robin@revenuecurve.com

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by on 11/30/2010 09:13am

Normally I get eggs from my mom, which are true free range eggs and are delicious! But if I run out before I get a chance to get more, I always buy the $4.00 eggs, my husband thinks I am crazy. After our last grocery outing and he saw how many eggs we go through and cost, he has decided to build a chicken coop for us to get our own eggs. So I am truly looking forward to seeing where my chicken and my eggs come from instead of from the store.

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by on 11/30/2010 09:13am

This is a good site with educational videos about the factory farm industry.

http://www.themeatrix.com/

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by on 11/30/2010 09:34am

I had this discussion in Costco last night with my sister. We were stocking up on holiday baking supplies. So, in front of the butter:

Me: "Get the organic stuff."
Sis: "I don't like my friends that much"
Me: "I don't care about your friends, I care about the cows."

I try to buy 100% organic and usually come close. The biggest hurdle is Fage yogurt. And now I'm trying to move to buying more locally from farmers in my community.

To chy1939 's point, I also think that we need to seriously rethink supporting seniors on limited incomes. This no social security adjustment thing in a year when food prices are already spiking is ridiculous.

by on 11/30/2010 02:26pm

The trouble is, most of the "organic" producers for places like Costco or WalMart are organic in name only. The standards that one has to meet to place "organic" on their packaging are so low, they might as well not exist. There are new stronger USDA standards coming, but they've been delayed.

Currently, USDA organic dairies only need to have "access" to the outdoors for their cows. Doesn't mean the cows ever go out side. They can also swap in conventional cows into their organic line-up, start feeding them organic food and presto, call their milk "organic."

Some big organic dairies are better than others. Check out cornucopia.org for the latest on these issues and for independent reviews of the brands you might be buying.

To me, it's not organic versus conventional, it's large scale production versus small. Anything sold in WalMart or Costco is going to be playing fast and loose with the organic rules. They are masters of the profit margin and marketing, not humane farming.

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Eggs ??
by on 11/30/2010 09:54am

Open range eggs do have a better favor, this is true, but growing-up we live on a farm. Sorry Kids, chichens are nasty. they eat each other, if the old hen has dislike for her chicks the old girl will eat them. When she is found -out we eat her. I will buy THE CHEAPER EGGS.

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$2 Vote... Priceless....
by on 11/30/2010 10:09am

Again a great column Dr. Khuly! I have always wondered what all of the terms on those cartons meant and how regulated they were. Now I will continue to buy those more expensive eggs and not worry so much because I can feel very self-congratulatory over voting for the right thing! Thank you.
Patricia Moore
http://www.soft-hearted.com

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Eggs
by on 11/30/2010 10:21am

Fortunately I can get my eggs from the farm down the road...3.50 a dozen. No, I really can't afford the extra $1 or $2, but given a choice at the grocery store I'd go w/the $4. I do though, wonder about the conditions under which even those chickens live and don't really question the truth and definitions behind most food labeling. I like chickens (not to eat really unless they are local) and although I don't live with any I've known a few as neighbors :-) Whether one thinks they are nasty or lower creatures, it would seem that anything living should be regarded with respect-especially if they are one of the links in our food chain. ~R

by on 11/30/2010 10:23am

Oops-I 'do' question the labeling....sorry

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by on 11/30/2010 10:30am

I'm with robinz. Remember the old adage "you are what you eat"? I have a co-worker who buys an expensive latte every day on her way to work, then claims she can't afford to buy food anywhere but Walmart.

Sorry, but I'll make my fancy coffee at home and happily buy second-hand clothes so I can buy eggs and meat without antibiotics and hormones, from animals who were humanely raised and slaughtered and vegetables not loaded with pesticides. I buy from local producers as much as possible. "Cheap food" does have a price - we just don't see it at the checkout.

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Add-on
by on 11/30/2010 10:35am

The word Coccidiosis or Coccidia......We medicated our chichen at times. Why, who knows my Mom is no longer with us to ask.As I REMEMBER THIS COMES FROM CHICHENS, Come on Pet Doctors, tell us how this can hurt our Pet Kids, maybe us too. I do know range chichens as well as cage chichen can be carriers ??

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$4 eggs -certified humane
by on 11/30/2010 10:39am

"Buying $4 eggs is a moral choice. Unless you truly cannot afford an extra $2 a week (and not because you're investing in Dunkin' Donuts and Coke), believing in more humane, more sustainable, healthier eggs means you are morally obligated to pay the premium."

Agree, Agree, Agree. I will only purchase certified humane eggs because that is the way I want things to move. Now granted in the warmer months I buy eggs from my herding instructor for $2/doz. Her chickens live the life! and the eggs taste so much better as a result.

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You guys are missing it!
by on 11/30/2010 10:49am

Again, I have to ask the obvious question. How are the Walmart's voting? Is the $4.00 carton of eggs being sold at cost? If not, why not? I need to know if that $4.00 carton should be $3.00, and then I will vote yes. The morality burden shouldn't be borne just by the consumer. For every carton of eggs purchased, one is sold. Why is the moral imperative placed only on the one who purchases? I am one person with one vote. A CEO is one person with millions of votes. I don't care what the singular "you" are paying your farmer friend for eggs. In the grand scheme, it's negligible.

by on 11/30/2010 12:32pm

Yes! You're so right...that's why in addition to making informed choices as a consumer -- EVERYONE needs to be involved in shareholder advocacy. It may not seem as though one shareholder in Wal Mart can make a difference but owning enough shares to vote proxy ballots can make a difference...put pressure on companies by owning them.

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Thank-you
by on 11/30/2010 11:53am

Doctor Khuly, The best of Blogs, Subjects, to make one think. You send me back to the books many times. Thanks again.

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by on 11/30/2010 12:43pm

My budget is in the red every month these days. While I do make some discretionary purchases, we've tightened our belts quite a bit. We go to more than one grocery store to get the best prices when we shop. My gift purchases this season are going to be few and modest. And we're much luckier than so many people - I know people who have lost their homes and who have been unemployed for ages, who work full time and clean houses on the side to make ends meet.

And we don't even have kids. Eggs are a nutritious, inexpensive source of protein that families rely on. Doubling the price WILL make a difference to many of these people. Does that make them morally inferior? Not to me.

Until my clients actually start paying their bills, every extra dollar I pay is an extra dollar of debt I take on. I can't afford this moral vote, and I'm sure there are a lot of other people in this economy who can't, either.

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How Do I Vote?
by on 11/30/2010 12:46pm

Well, in our area eggs are pretty cheap. Even on Craigslist you find them for almost the same price as store bought eggs. We have Farmers Markets eevery weekend. Not a large metro area. South Tex on the coast.

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If you can't afford it...
by on 11/30/2010 01:06pm

...that's a whole 'nother issue. But then, I'm of the mindset that if you *really* can't afford your food you have a moral pass on stealing it, too.

To chy1939's point about being priced out of this movement: What if our tax monies didn't subsidize cheap and not-good-for-you foods? What if all eggs were held to the same high standards? Would people like chy1939 be priced out? Maybe. But more than likely our cultural emphasis would shift from food being artificially inexpensive for all who care to buy the cheapest stuff out there to subsidies that are actually targeted at those who need the help.

Think: A food stamp program that actually feeds those who need help without skewing their choices towards the cheapest and unhealthiest calories they can buy.

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by on 11/30/2010 01:56pm

I pay $2 a dozen for small eggs and $4 a dozen for large ones - from a family friend who has inherited her family farm. Prior to that, this is where I got all of my "organic" as in really organic but just not certified beef to feed myself and my dogs.

I still get a lot of it there, but I like my beef fresh and we're now an hour away. You heard me - I pay $4 and drive an hour for my eggs.

Why? Because I grew up with the ancestors of these chickens. They've been free range LONG before being free range was "cool" and "hip" and "good for the planet" and "humane". They were free range because it's CHEAPER. Chickens that eat bugs eat less food. They also require much more meager housing - literally just enough to lie down, and they like it that way, especially in the winter. I live in Canada, so during the summer months it's still cool enough to house them this way. There are always a few each year who prefer to live under the coop, and if they survive, they do, if not, dogs are set to patrol the area for a few weeks after the hen is killed.

The chickens are happy and healthy, and are not "McFreaks" but rather heritage chickens.

The taste and colour and consistency are all different, but I find them better. I compare it to people who dislike the taste of free range chicken. It's gamier, and well... it's different and as humans we have to be trained to accept different - or at least that's the way we are built.

I buy the large eggs for myself, the smaller ones for the dogs (not made of money!) and always happily pay for the chickens who are past their prime but who are obviously not fit for anyone's dinner plate. I get a great price, the dogs get VERY healthy and safe meat, and the farm owner gets to earn an extra buck (her dogs already get dibs on any injured cow and any baby chick born with a deformity - sounds horrible, I know, but better to end up put to death quickly and humanely and end up in the belly of a dog than to be mixed with god-knows-what in a rendering plant and being processed beyond recognition into what we call kibble and THEN ending up in a belly, no?).

That being said, there are times when I cut corners. Not everything in my fridge is organic, free range or even free trade. Some of it... I don't even know what country it originated from.

I do, however, try to tackle the biggest issues. The treatment of animals, the genetic modification of foods, the inclusion of high glucose corn syrup and other corn (and soy) derivatives in processed food, and the use of any ingredient than can not be passed fit for human consumption in the use of pet foods.

If I had all the money in the world, I'd tackle it all. I'd research every piece of food I purchased, and every purchase truly would be a vote. For now, I do what I can with what I can. We live paycheck to paycheck, and I give up any "extras" I may be able to squeeze out of it by making these votes. So does my husband (more because of his agreeable nature than anything else, but still, credit where credit is due.. ;O)

Very long story short, yeah, I pay $4 for my eggs. And they are DEEEEEE-licious. Kills me to eat eggs anywhere else, so bland and tasteless. Blech.

Honest-to-goodness truth though? The most expensive thing we buy in our house is dog food. I pay about $85 for 25lbs, which lasts about 2 weeks. I'd be lying if I said I didn't flinch a teensie bit every time I swiped that card thinking about what $170 could do for us every month... but then I recall that our pet food also uses fit for consumption free range foods whenever possible - and we haven't seen the vet for anything more severe than a vaccine and a wellpet in over five years for the dogs - 13 for the cats.

Suddenly spending $4 on eggs and keeping an extra eye on what goes on my plate seems like much, much more than a financial or an ethical or a moral issue.

It's a health issue too.

by on 11/30/2010 08:32pm

I'm sorry, just a tad too much information.

by on 12/03/2010 10:27pm

I think it's great that you bring up the subject of heritage breeds of chickens. Heritage breeds often aren't as prolifc in their egg laying capacity as the breeds and mixed breeds that are only bred for production. By supporting farmers who maintain heritage breeds, you also contribute in the preservation of such breeds.

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$4.00 eggs
by on 11/30/2010 02:26pm

I buy $4.00 eggs (eggcept in Ohio they are $2.89) - so I am lucky. We make a moral choice in everything we do...thanks for the additional information.

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$4.50 from my co-op
by on 11/30/2010 04:04pm

I discontinued all of my medications and I took many. Good real food is my medicine. I belong to a co-op where I get my raw milk from pastured cows, real lard (not hydrogenated), and among other things eggs from pastured chickens.

I had some pet chickens as a child but I realized that my family was also healthier back then. And I think the distortion of our food toward cheap processed food is among the factors that has negatively affected our health. And drugs are not as effective and have more side effects as promised.

So my bet is on real foods as close to nature as I can get. This mean eggs from chickens who have a chance to eat bugs in fresh air and sunlight. And I do care about humane rearing.

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by on 11/30/2010 07:36pm

for another point of view, I found this article interesting as well....

http://humanewatch.org/index.php/site/post/this_cage-free_schtick_is_egg-stremely_tiring/

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Response is unbelievable
by on 11/30/2010 08:48pm

It's hard for me to understand the attention this subject has received, and I'm guilty three times. One responder thinks we should respect everything in the food chain. How does he feel about yeast. All this business about votes! Who's voting for the thousands of children being abused right now physically and/or sexually? My time resources are far too limited to vote on chicken egg prices. In the "grand scheme," I can make a quick list of twenty topics that will completely fill my day and egg prices and derivation ain't even close. Folks, they aren't pets.

What happens to the good doctor's hens when they get too old to lay? Fried chicken on Sunday?

by on 12/12/2010 08:20pm

There are some people who do think chickens are pets or like pets. But for most people that are thinking about this topic or working to improve the lives of chickens the issue boils down to a phrase that Dr. Temple Grandin uses: "decent life, humane death." I am neither vegan nor vegetarian, but I do think I have some responsibility to try to assure that the animals who give their lives to feed me aren't tortured every day of their lives. And you are right - there are lots and lots of serious issues and lots of people are suffering - and we need to care about all of this.

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by on 11/30/2010 09:08pm

When i was a child and did not want to finish my food, my mother would say: "Eva, eat your food, there are millions of starving children out there." I always wondered about the logic that would make those starving children starve less if I, 10,000 miles away would clean up my plate.

The question is: can we care about chickens and that they are treated fairly, while also caring about children being treated fairly? Why would one preclude the other?

I do buy those $4 eggs, and i vote with my wallet. It's about the only voting I can do in this country of equal opportunity, and I hate the idea of living beings having no other destiny than ending up in a human stomach. I don't think that's how the o was intended, but maybe I am wrong. I admit, was shocked out of my whit though when i read this report:

http://www.cornucopia.org/organic-egg-scorecard/

So now i only buy eggs from people I know. The plan is to grow my own $500 egg :-)

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egg or chicken first?
by on 12/01/2010 07:48am

Would that labelling were more accurate and claims made regulated and enforceable. That being said, I will always buy the $4.00 egg, the organic egg...or the local egg from someone with a good rep...or at least some form of label that means I tried to do the right thing by the hens. When I cannot afford to do that...I do not buy eggs at least, from companies with known issues or known for high volume mass egg production. When I cannot do that...I do not buy eggs at all. And find my protein elsewhere and forgo my baking plans. And I never buy those eggs in a milk carton because I do not know where they come from. When it comes right down to it...how many eggs do we really need in a day or a week?? There are other things to eat.

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chickens or children
by on 12/01/2010 08:05am

I would just like to say something about the argument that with children being abused we cannot care about chickens. Why not?? I care about, work for, donate time and money, write to anyone and everyone I can about all these issues. I love children, I love animals. Living things all deserve respect and humane treatment and it is silly to say you can only care about one or the other. Why not do your best always and in everything you do and decide and buy and vote for and live for for all of them...the children, the horses, the cows, the abused women, the inhumane treatment of all creatures that share this planet, human or otherwise. It is not that hard or time consuming to make decisions and support the things that do good instead of bad. Because I care about the humane treatment of animals does that mean I care less about the plight of starving, abused, neglected children?? NO...it does not!!

by on 12/01/2010 11:12pm

Hello dacnec,

Thank you for taking your time to respond to me.

Please send me your direct email address. I would like to respond to your email and also attach some relevant documents.

Warm and sincere regards and happy holidays,

Thomas P. Schmittt
tpschmitt1@verizon.net
(412) 823-4181

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HumaneWatch
by on 12/01/2010 08:23am

Great info on their site, stat-wise, but beware the source itself. It's anti-animal welfare. The proverbial sheep in wolves clothing. I've been burned on that score already and don't plan on making the same mistake twice.

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$ 4.00 eggs
by on 12/01/2010 09:35pm

We all pay for the "cheap" food in the U.S. - just at different times in different ways (taxes, etc.). The $4.00 eggs just include the costs more openly and directly than the cheaper eggs do. Regarding humane labels, however. Both Consumer Reports and Good Housekeeping, would tell you to ask for Certified Humane labeled eggs from Humane Farm Animal Care's program (www.certifiedhumane.org). It's the program that both audits and is audited itself to assure the public that they actually do what they say they do.

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$4,00 eggs??!!
by on 12/04/2010 11:00am

You forgot about all the unemployment issues. Especially when the $25.00 for food you get with unemployment benefits is being taken away. Forget the $2.00 eggs, I'll take the .99 cent eggs.

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$6 eggs
by on 12/07/2010 12:25am

Today, shockingly. Vital Farms. Pastured chickens. Gasped at the price (although I've bought these eggs several times before I guess I wasn't paying attention) but when you think about what a perfect protein an egg is, 50 cents an egg doesn't seem like too much. And I'll be using them to make cat food.

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by on 12/12/2010 04:26pm

If I could pay $8 for eggs and have that money provide an incentive for producers who CHOOSE to provide "better" care for their chickens, I might very well do so. (That is only true metaphorically as in truth my eggs come from my chickens who have access to pasture but often prefer to stay in their small coop...)

Unfortunately, what $4 dollar eggs really do is provide a vote for the AR movement, and so I would purchase $2 eggs because I want to cast my vote against the lunatics who are fighting to regulate chicken care based not on science, balance, and experience, but on sentimental ignorance and their belief that no animals should be captive. Even the term "cage free" is misleading, implying that cages are evil and that chickens should all be free to be eaten alive by predators forthwith.

This is one of the many real problems with having HSUS and other misleading AR groups hold so much power: we cannot work to improve standards of care without fearing that they will co-opt any standards or regulations we create and modify them to serve their agenda of eliminating captive animals.

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