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Why So Negative? Biting Online Reviews in Veterinary Medicine

March 26, 2010 / (30) comments


Earlier this week I received a Facebook query that went something like this: "My dog needs surgery but the surgeon my regular vet recommends works at a hospital that’s gotten lots of bad online reviews. Can you recommend someone else?"


Because this hospital happens to be my go-to hospital for specialty work, I was surprised. But by the time I’d read all of the reviews I felt I’d understood the problem more fully and probably should have expected all the negativity. Here’s a summary of the primary complaint: THIS HOSPITAL ONLY CARES ABOUT MONEY!!!

(Sorry for the caps. I know, they hurt me too, but that’s the best way to describe the level of anger with which many of these reviews were written.)

My curiosity now piqued, I looked into reviews of other specialty hospitals in my general vicinity. And guess what? They all sported the same exact breed of comment:

"Money, money, money!"

"They don’t care."

"They have no soul."

"And they call themselves animal lovers?"

Ouch!

But it’s to be expected, I guess. After all, these are the hospitals whose prices are steepest and where the short-term nature of the relationship means that love is easily lost — presumably because it never got a chance to develop in the first place. It’s also the case that business practices at these places are extra-strict, which often makes for an acrimonious first date:
 
Him: Payment plan?

Her: We call that a credit card here.

Which only makes sense. Think about it: Payment plans are based on trust. And there is no easy trust between parties when the expense of a pricey emergency procedure divides them. Not when, 1. The owner doesn’t have the ready cash; 2. The veterinary facility can easily rack up thousands of dollars in drugs and supplies on one patient; and 3. So many owners either refuse to pay after the fact or never come back for their pet. 

As a veterinarian who’s spent waaaay too much time working after-hours shifts, I can promise you this: Without an owner who says price is no object and lays down a credit card for the price of the Cadillac plan’s estimate, there is no easy solution to this dilemma. All else requires the veterinary hospital to risk taking a  loss on it all — which, truth be told, would happen every day of the week if we let it.

Want a recent example?

An older patient. A trusted client. He racked up a $2,000 bill before getting transferred to the specialist’s. Because the owner was indisposed, I drove the pet over myself. The specialists were paid up front for over $10,000 in work. It’s been a month and my patient’s doing great ... but I’ve not seen a dime. That’s trust for you.

Those were the thoughts rattling around in my head when I finally decided to pen a little response to the negative reviews I’d just read:

 

As a Miami-area veterinarian, I've had cause to send hundreds of my patients and at least five of my own pets to this hospital. If there's a complaint the cause is almost always the same: "We love the care but we hate dealing with the money thing."

 

As I see it, the problem here is not the hospital itself but the money issue in general. Consider that the level of care we can now provide our animals is far more sophisticated than our ability to pay for it. This fact has a way of setting up adversarial relationships between pet owners and veterinarians, especially when it comes to the highest levels of care. That's why I too often see negative reviews for the best-equipped, best-staffed practices.

 

Until we come up with a better way to distribute care to animals so that more of us can afford the amazing things veterinary medicine can do, I foresee plenty more nasty reviews in this space. It's so sad — especially when the people there are so good.

 

What do you say? Do I have it all wrong?

 

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Today's art: bite the hand by Old Sarge (aka Doug Geisler)

 

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COMMENTS (30)
1
Why so negative?
by on 03/25/2010 04:24am

I can see your point. I have never complained about this even though we spent $40.000 on our Jasmine's vet bills in the past year and a half and are now in debt and broke. Fortunately we had enough bank credit to be able to do this.

I appreciate that there is high cost associated with specialized care.

Would I like to be turned down with an emergency because I couldn't afford it? No, I definitely would not.

But I guess trust is hard to come by these days and there are too many people who do not stand behind their word. Which is what brings us where we are.

What I would complain about? That even with the high cost, often we were not listened to. Seemed like everybody would make up their minds about things without considering what we were trying to say.

And that I believe that with more competence in the past, we most likely wouldn't come to this situation if the first place.

That is what I would complain about.

I am not to one to crucify anybody though, I resort to positive reviews only. I will talk about our bad experiences, but I will only name who we found we can trust and rely on.
But maybe that is not good enough.

I know a number of dog owners who are looking for answers and not finding them, while their dogs are suffering.

What about all the money gone down the drain?

I am extremely grateful for finding the vet we have now. Without him, Jasmine probably wouldn't be alive today.

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by on 03/25/2010 12:59pm

Dr. Khuly, I think you have it exactly. I work at a large specialty practice, and the first time I read reviews of us online; I was shocked by all the negativity. Definitely the major problem is the "money in general" as you described.

We used to offer payment plans until we lost so much money that we had to stop (we do CareCredit now). We are the only ER in the area that will even examine a pet without upfront payment.

It would have never occurred to me before I worked here, but it is so important for pet owners to be aware of the costs of this kind of care. Not everyone can afford it. (I can't even afford a lot of the wonderful care I see at work!). But just being aware of what it's likely to cost when your cat blocks, or your dog eats a bottle of pills, means that *you are not finding this out for the first time while Max is in distress*! If only we could find a way to communicate this to the owners of healthy pets, I think the negative emotions at the specialty practice could be reduced.

3
They aren't making it up
by on 03/26/2010 08:30am

I am told by your website that my actual opinion about this, which employed no salty language at all, is inappropriate and offensive.

Nice.

Exactly the sort of thing that generates bad reviews.

Turn off the nanny software and I'll tell you what I think.

4
I bet you said 'bitch"!
by on 03/26/2010 08:41am

Hee hee. Sorry HH. I promise to get the "nanny software" fixed right quick.

5
Actually can you send me the copy...
by on 03/26/2010 08:43am

...of what you wrote? Send it to my email inbox at drkhuly@petmd.com so I can get on this the quickest way possible. Thanks!

6
Negative Reviews
by on 03/26/2010 10:01am

It boils down to: How much do you REALLY care about your pet (see comment #1).
Yes, we are in debt, too, and all maxed out at this time due to 2 very sick boys last year and 1 sick boy this year, and a vet emergency due to a fight this year.

NO REGRETS and a great staff who is there most all the time when we need them. if they had to clpse due to clients not paying, where would we go? WE CARE so we pay!

7
I think you nailed it
by on 03/26/2010 10:15am

Most people can't afford the best in modern veterinary care. And many have no idea how much money that could be. One thing I think would help would be if our local vets were kept informed of costs at the specialty hospitals so that when they referred someone they could be upfront about what it might cost. If your vet says, "It costs $300 for the initial evaluation, plus probably $300-$500 for tests, and then if he needs surgery it could be $5000 more" some clients might elect not to go to the specialist at all, and others would be more prepared for the sticker shock when they do.

The other thing is the WAY some specialists bill, with detailed itemization. $10 for YOU to give my dog a pill? That's highway robbery! If hospitalization just had one set charge per time unit, and again, your referring vet could say, "They will charge you $500 per night in the hospital" clients could choose better what to do.

Having said those things, the time I've used a specialist in an emergency, my complaint was not about the money, it was about poor care. The specialist did not take a good history and sent my dog home right before a three-day weekend saying he was better (he was much worse and I was left finding a vet open on a holiday to euthanize him.)

8
negative comments regarding vets
by on 03/26/2010 10:49am

I feel for you vets. Even before the economy wasn't that bad these have always been issues. I have a lot of dogs and luckily have a long-time relationship with my vet. They KNOW I'll make good on what I owe and so never even have to talk about "the bill" when the time comes. I am realistic in what I CAN afford to spend and sometimes I do weigh the age of the animal, cost of treatment, quality of life after treatment, etc. In an elderly animal I just can't afford to put $5,000 into treatment (even if I only had that one animal) as I have a family and lots of responsibilities.

I think the problem comes when people cannot realistically look at their situation and the situation of the animal. It ALWAYS hurts to let them go but it is a fact of life and sometimes there is more to think about than just us "missing the pet".....sometimes we have to think of the greater good like the quality of life left for the animal, other family considerations, and I ALWAYS think about whether I can make good on my bill owed to the vet as they have to live too. There is so much to consider and I just think people often lose sight of that. We have a big responsibility in caring for our pets BUT we have responsibilities to HUMANS too.

Just my 2 cents worth.

9
Why So Negative
by on 03/26/2010 11:25am

I think the problem may be "attitude, attitude, attitude". Animal care professionals need to remember that they have the knowledge and experience and thus the upperhand when it comes to treatment protocals. The patient (the animals human companion) is scared, emotional and not thinking clearly about the clinical applications and approaches to curing for a sick or injured animal.

Instead of the "smart alec" response of "We call that a credit card here" it may have been better to say: "We do accept Credit Card payments, in fact CreditCare is available." The human companion does not need to be further agitated by flip comments in response to a legitmate payment question.

I believe that most caring pet people are responsible enough to pay their obligations. Its tough when your pet is suffering not to bring it in for treatment, and payment overtime may be the only solution to ending an animal's suffering or diagnosing a problem before it escalates into something worse.

I'm not saying that vets need to absord the costs of animal health care but they need to be willing to work with people and work out payment plans that are managable for all concerned.

Like all businesses you're going to get the deadbeat payer every so often, but hopefully that's the exception rather than the rule. Common courtesy and compassion will go a long way in receiving your due compensation.

10
The nature of the beast....
by on 03/26/2010 11:30am

The nature of the beast is such that no one is motivated enough to write a glowing review. Good reviews are not only hard to come by but also kinda boring to read, right?

However, if we get slighted in some way, we tend to talk about it; a lot and loudly.

Look at the news...you will never hear CNN report on a dog NOT biting a man or dog greeting a mailman by wagging his tail (the dog's tail, not mailman's lol)

Therefore, the reviews of this nature tend to skew to one side.

I will say that it shows how far we have come in our spiritual development as species, how deep our compassion goes, when we are willing to spend 40k on pet care....kudos dog mama

11
Money - The Most Sensitive Issue
by on 03/26/2010 11:42am

You write about a very sensitive issue and one that blows my mind when it comes to veterinary care. I guess for me, I understand that when I go into a state of the art veterinary ER that I'm going to pay - and likely through the nose. I've been in my own veterinary ER at least 5 times this year with my dog. It's OK, I accept that. And I always pay at the time services are rendered.
But, and this is a big BUT, you're always going to get someone or quite a few people, for that matter, who are cheap about everything. Once they realize what they've gotten themselves into - although they promise to pay, they refuse to part with their money. It becomes less about the pet to the OWNER than the money owed to the ER vets. So, I can turn this question around, too - For those who get thousands of dollars worth of services on their pet and decide that they'd rather abandon the pet than pay - is it all about the pet or all about the money for them?! I'd venture to say it is about money. It turns out that the pet means a lot less to them than their money. What it all boils down to is honesty - in paying for services rendered and in priorities.I love my dogs, but I don't have unlimited resources so I try my best to stay informed about my pets health issues to avoid unnecessary and expensive ER trips. Sometimes those trips are necessary and I need an expert and for that, I am willing to pay. But, I think I care a lot more about my dogs than most people. I just want my dog back and I am willing to pay for the ER vet(s) to make him feel better. But mostly, I want my dog back. My dogs are my priority and I owe it to them to be informed and make judicious decisions about their care along with an ER vet. I also have the obligation to make sure I can pay for it.

12
Why So Negative
by on 03/26/2010 12:07pm

I'm a bit on the fence about this one. Just because a specialty facility is expensive does not always translate into good care. When my IBD dog was referred to one, all they were going to do was run a bunch of tests for a lot of $$$ and put him on prednisone. It just didn't feel right to me so I took him to a holistic vet and got much better results for a lot less $$$ Yes, I had done research about this and knew that holistic care can work wonders with this condition. However, when it comes to $$$, any business can expect negative comments no matter what. Customers do feel that if they pay big bucks the ends should justify the means.

13
What's the difference?
by on 03/26/2010 12:17pm

This is an easy one, Dr. Khuly. People don't even want (or sometimes cannot) pay for their OWN health care, why would you think it different with their pets? Add to that the belief that most people have that animals are not as valuable as humans and there's your answer. Hospitals and doctors are running after patients to pay what they owe, and they're still running after them to at least make a good-faith effort to pay some of their own health care cost. So when it comes to Fluffy's health care -- woosh, run after me and see if you can get it.
My doctor asks for his co-pay up front. I've never understood why doctors don't ask for, at least, the doctor's visit up front, and add, we need to keep your credit card number should there be -- and there will be -- additional costs, such as lab work, etc etc. That way you've got the credit card number in hand, and if they run, just put it through to the credit card company and if the owner tries to stop the payment -- you can tell the credit card company that services were rendered and not paid for, and you'll get your money.
Also, make sure that you tell people UP FRONT what every single thing will cost. I trust my vet so much that I don't need to ask. But that's because we've developed a trust relationship, and I am lucky enough to afford the best pet care for my dogs and cats. I really think lots of people just have no idea what it will cost in the end, so they run. BUt make sure and get that credit card number first thing when they walk in the door, and you won't have to do so much running after them! And, by the way, I am totally on your side on this, but that's because I love my pets and put a high high value on their getting the best care possible.

14
Why So Negative?
by on 03/26/2010 01:03pm

Just left a long comment (which I forgot to copy, of course), but it's not here (would have liked a copy...). Also, never got an e-mail to reset my password (although I remembered it...)

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by on 03/26/2010 01:03pm

Oh! That comment made it!

16
by on 03/26/2010 01:08pm

>>I'm not saying that vets need to absord the costs of animal health care but they need to be willing to work with people and work out payment plans that are managable for all concerned.>>

No, I don't "need" to work out payment plans.

That said, I do sometimes arrange payment plans for long-time clients in good standing, for unexpected emergencies.

>>Like all businesses you're going to get the deadbeat payer every so often, but hopefully that's the exception rather than the rule.>>

If it's not a long-time client in good standing, I expect to be stiffed: bounced check, cancelled check, closed checking account, credit card at limit, credit card cancelled, credit card charge back... I've seen it all. I've had people change phone numbers or even move - not to evade me, as I'm rather low-key, but to escape other debt and even home foreclosure.

If I expect to be stiffed, I dispense nothing. I call in prescriptions because it's remarkable how quickly bad pay clients can locate a working credit card or cash when I won't hand over a "freebie". In these cases, all I've lost is my time - valuable, but at least not part of that pesky supplier's bill I pay every month.

To do my part, I provide clients with realistic estimates before sending them to the referral hospital. Because I refer regularly (see Dr. K's earlier blog on that topic) I have a good idea of ballpark costs for common problems. The referral docs are usually happy to "guesstimate" when I'm not sure. My clients are rarely surprised by referral hospital charges; both the referral docs and my clients have told me they appreciate this courtesy.

17
Vet care cost
by on 03/26/2010 01:38pm

I LOVE my Pet's DEARLY! I have an eight year old Chihuahua named
Rudy, a orange and white ten year old Cat named Pebbles and a
black and tan Tabby named Zack. Both of my Cat's are indoor only
Cat's for their safely and health, ALL of my animal's are spayed
or neutered, I feed them all Purina One food's, a brand and Co.
I've trusted for YEAR'S, I take them all for yearly check-up's, I get their teeth cleaned whenever needed, my Dog has all his shot's plus is given heartwarm preventative pill's and flea and tick preventative every month, year round, and my indoor Cat's get a rabies shot, they get fresh water, litter box cleaned every morning and every night, lot's of attention, play and LOVE, everything I can do to the best of my ability to maintain them in the best health possible BUT I also accept as much as I hate it that if a serious illness were to arise I would have to have my beloved Pet put down, I KNOW I cannot afford extreme measures to save them and I'm OK with doing the BEST I can afford, I believe IF you cannot afford thousand's of dollar's to save one of your best friend's there's no shame or feeling of guilt in that and don't understand why other's have such a hard time accepting their limitation's instead of blaming the Vet's who are educated and trained to save the Pet's of those who can afford it. And I guarantee NOONE LOVES their Pet's more then I do mine, what I chose and know is just a fact of live, one of many fact's that are not easy in this life here on Earth.

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Vet Care cost
by on 03/27/2010 02:25am

I try to understand the escalating pet care costs. They are directly propotional to health care costs in any medical field for any animal including man.
The people that love and want to care for their sick animals will do what they can even to the point of putting the bills on credit. Other people look at their animals as an animal thats time has come and dispatch them or abandon them at the first sigh of trouble.
I personally thank all you vets for what you do and especially thank all you pet owners that will go the extra mile for your pets that have done so much for you. Vets need to pay their student loans off and buy a nice SUV or Pick-up to make their rounds. Supplies, buildings, equipment, insurance, it all adds up.
Do you ever have any dirty dishes a poor guy could clean for some extra cash? Jon

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by on 03/27/2010 06:33am

>>Vets need to pay their student loans off...

Yes, that's true. The student loan folks are remarkably unforgiving of default.

>>...and buy a nice SUV or Pick-up to make their rounds.

Um, not quite, because gas mileage matters. It's a simple equation for me: cost of business vehicle must be covered by price of farm calls.

>>Supplies, buildings, equipment, insurance, it all adds up.
Do you ever have any dirty dishes a poor guy could clean for some extra cash?>>

It does all add up. Yes, I have occasionally "employed" clients, usually for clerical tasks that do not involved confidential information (mass mailings, newsletters, etc.). No dirty dishes, though - I eat a lot of trail mix and energy bars.

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The crux of it
by on 03/27/2010 09:14am

"IF you cannot afford thousand's of dollar's to save one of your best friend's there's no shame or feeling of guilt in that and don't understand why other's have such a hard time accepting their limitation's instead of blaming the Vet's who are educated and trained to save the Pet's of those who can afford it."

Dareaton: That's it, exactly. I wish more owners understood their financial limitations up front so they could take early steps towards taking personal responsibility for their pets' healthcare expenses (CareCredit or another dedicated credit card, pet insurance, a pet health savings plan, etc.).

The other point I wanted to make in response to some others is this: I agree that just because care is expensive the vet hospital is not absolved of its need to be caring and helpful. Just as pet owners need to have a firm grasp of their personal responsibility, veterinarians and their staff ignore pet owners' personal feelings on the subject of finances or anything else at their business's peril. Good business practices explaining policies and procedures and why they're there are invaluable. Because HOW things are said are sometimes even more important than WHAT gets said.

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by on 03/27/2010 07:18pm

okay, but and I am sure some are thinking it, so I'll say it...there is some pretty serious mark ups as well....we've certainly discussed the 200-300% mark up on iv bags and medications many times before.

I think in this economy there are veterinary practices out there that are not taking that into consideration. My vets fees have at least doubled in the last year. basic things like labs and x rays...salaries haven't doubled..in fact with unemployment so high, more and more people are not only not getting care for their pets, they are getting rid of their pets.

I think there needs to be a balance and ever since vet hospitals have gotten more advanced AND more business run less owner run the costs have skyrocketed and people can't keep up.
There will always be exceptions to that, with people who have the money or the room on a credit card for 4 digit charges, but on a whole...specialists take advantage of their unique skills and are over priced.

I'd like to see an honest actual breakdown of what it costs to perform a two hour (or any amount of time) surgery VS what is charged the client.

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$ of vet care
by on 03/27/2010 08:41pm

We don't have the sophistication and array of services you would find in a metropolitan area. I wish we did. But, I think if you commit to specialized care for your pet you need to pay/make arrangements to make payments. A commitment is a commitment whether it is to your veterinarian, your plumber or Bank of America.

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Payment plans
by on 03/27/2010 11:21pm

pgaadotcom, I was struck by you saying vets need to work with the client to make a payment plan. In a business management class in vet school, one of the professors made the point that if a client can't find a friend or family member willing to loan the money, why on earth would they expect their vet to loan them money? When we make payment plans that is exactly what we are doing. Our hospital does not have any sort of payment plan, but fairly often (once every couple of weeks) a person stiffs us either by walking out of the exam room or by agreeing to an estimate that they know they can't pay. We'd never hold the pet hostage (another maxim from that class: the only thing worse than being left with an unpaid bill is being left with the bill AND the dog), but we do send them to collections... which usually costs the hospital more money than we get from it. We do it anyways to discourage future theft.
The fact is that most vet practices which offer billing and payment plans have a long list of past-due accounts. Can you still make a business work that way? Yes, but it means passing on the cost of the deadbeat clients to the paying ones, raising prices on everything because you're building into your pricing structure the assumption that some people won't pay. It is eve worse for emergency and specialty hospitals, as they have never seen the client before in their lives and are giving them a pretty significant bill, generally. At least many GP vets who offer billing can get a sense for who is good about repayment for the smaller things before deciding who can get the courtesy for a larger bill.
I don't think an owner needs to be able to afford ANY possible treatment their pet could ever need. I DO think it is an aspect of responsible ownership to have enough money for minor illnesses and to know exactly how much you can afford to pay... and be honest about those limitations. Sometimes it means we won't be able to help, or to give the best level of care, but it's better than stealing and making that care more difficult for others to afford in turn.

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Cost Breakdown
by on 03/28/2010 11:11am

>>I'd like to see an honest actual breakdown of what it costs to perform a two hour (or any amount of time) surgery VS what is charged the client.>>

I'll do my best.

1. Cost of materials (drugs, suture material, needles, etc.)
2. Amortized cost of materials (surgical instruments, anesthesia machine, surgical table, etc.)
3. Cost of support staff (technician, receptionist, etc.) salaries and benefits
4. Cost of continuing education
5. Cost of license, DEA license, malpractice insurance, disability insurance, etc.
6. Building costs (rent, mortgage) or vehicle costs for ambulatory veterinarians
7. Veterinarian's salary and benefits, which over time pay for both veterinary school tuition and the time spent by the veterinarian in school vs. working for a salary (Consider: when I decided to go to veterinary school, I was working in another field requiring only an undergraduate degree and my annual salary was about $50K. Thus, I "lost" at least $200K by deciding to go to veterinary school vs. continuing to work. Had I decided to enter residency training, my salary would have been about $25K for three years, so I'd have "lost" at least another $75K, or $275K total. This is obviously a very rough calculation but you get the idea.)

If your animal is seen by an emergency or specialist practice you will pay the additional cost of extended hours and advanced training. Though I have a general practice, I charge additional emergency fees for after hours calls because of the opportunity cost to me of being available to my clients.

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to Equine DVM
by on 03/28/2010 12:35pm

There is only one cost that isn't pretty much the same nationwide and that would be "mortgage", however that really doesn't explain the disparity of market prices in different parts of the country or even different parts of the same state?

How do you compare a $200 spay to a $500 dollar spay? (and it certainly can't all be attributed to quality or differences)

Just curious.

26
bad reviews in general
by on 03/28/2010 01:08pm

IMO, it takes a pretty "unhappy" customer to take the trouble to post a negative review. Money may or may not be the factor, but it is often mentioned to give others an idea of what they are trying to express.The reviewer may feel "taken, or cheated", particularly if a poor outcome resulted without the informed consent of this likelihood.

The reviewer may harbor this gut feeling that the professional knew this but did not truly allow "informed consent", or made light of the probability to detriment of the patient and the client's wallet.

If I read a few negative reviews with some specifics, other than "money" about any "business or professional", I am going to hesitate utilizing that business, because I tend to think the posters are trying to prevent future dissatisfaction.

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by on 03/29/2010 12:23pm

I love my vet. I think he is worth what ever he charges me and thankfully I haven't felt abused by charges, but I've come close.

It is when I'm nickled and dimed (like being charged to pill the animal, or to write out a physical script as opposed to having it filled in the office) that I get annoyed. Half a day's hospitlization fee for a surgery that is also charged. To me these things should be included in the general fee - because who is going to have surgery and NOT stay at the hospital to recover for a couple of hours?? would a vet even allow the pet to leave to avoid this fee??

When I look at the bottom line, the total is reasonable for the work/proceedure done, but sometimes it is just annoying to see superfluous fees

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by on 03/29/2010 06:13pm

>>How do you compare a $200 spay to a $500 dollar spay?

Though I do not perform spays, I think $200 is a bargain price.

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Why so negative?
by on 03/30/2010 10:02am



I have worked as a technician at a clinic that offered $200 spays. The pet was induced with a butterfly catheter (temporary), an older, less safe induction agent was used, the gas anesthetic was about three generations from what is considered 'new and improved', and there was one option only for pain control. Was there any malpractice or bad medicine involved? Nope. Not at all. But as a pet owner, if I can afford it, I will opt for the clinic that places an IV catheter before surgery so there is venous access in case of an emergency, that uses top of the line monitoring equipment and anesthetic agents, has a highly trained staff of technicians and a surgeon, and can tailor a pain control regimen for my pet. All of that costs more, and it's my responsibility as a pet owner to make an informed decision about the care of my pet.

(What a thoughtful response from wikith!)

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Clients Don't Know
by on 05/16/2010 02:16am

syzeigler, your emphasis on clients being responsible for choosing safer practices assumes something totally unrealistic -- which is that the vet using the anesthetic that is several generations outdated, minimal/ancient pain control, no monitoring etc. is actually going to tell the client that in advance of the procedure.

Vets using lower quality approaches don't put that out there. Clients would have to spend their free time studying veterinary medicine to learn the difference. You assume that clients have the same kind of knowledge and discernment as insiders. Not so.

With humans, use of outmoded approaches to the extent you describe does not happen because there is accountability in human medicine. As veterinarians are all but immune to legal liability since their patients are typically "worthless property" in the eys of the law, and since veterinary boards consider it fine do do anything pretty much as long as OTHER vets are doing it too (no matter how outdated), there is zero accountability.

Among the things that veterinarians DON'T have to do is actually TELL clients that their anesthetic agents, staffing, monitoring and techniques are outdated and inferior.

Clients don't know the difference between halothane or xylazine and isoflourane or sevoflourane . . . and if they ask their old school vet if halothane is a good anesthetic, whaddya wanna bet the vet says "of course . . ."

It never ceases to amaze me how people in the veterinary field are forever admonishing clients to listen to/obey/respect their vets, and then when the vets aren't providing proper care, they turn around and blame the clients. And yet without realizing how contradictory those two attitudes are.

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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