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Seven Testicle Tuesday: A Goats in Suburbia Update

June 01, 2010 / (12) comments


Here’s how my day tends to go now that I’ve got baby goats: When the barest titch of light is in the sky my brain says it’s time to wake up. A pair of shorts and a tank top later, I’m making my way outside in the muddied Merrell flip-flops I reserve for my mornings. It's around this time I get treated to the first word I hear every day: "Nyaaaaaa!"


By the time I’ve negotiated the triple latches on the gate that leads to goat country (the back half of my yard), my feet are already dew-soaked and mud-splattered, and by now I’ve been treated to more than a few ear-splitting, caprine curse words launched at me from the pen inside the enclosure where the babies have been sequestered, mama-less for the night.

"How mean!" you might think, "How can she keep them locked up without their mother all night. No wonder they scream at her! What’s the point of it, anyway?"

To that question, I’ve cultivated what I feel is an eloquent one-word answer: "Ricotta."

Yes, let’s all recap our Food Science 101: Cheese comes from milk, which comes from the teats of lactating ruminants, which flows only when babies have been recently birthed, but which is accessible only when babies have been weaned or temporarily marginalized (overnight, in this case) so they don’t continue to "steal" the food they no longer need.

My baby boys are big eaters. They can drain an udder in five minutes flat. By contrast, it takes me about 30 minutes of relatively clumsy teat sqwooshing (while they scream bloody murder) to get maybe a cup or two less than a full half gallon. It’s tough slogging, I assure you. Especially with the vocal accompaniment. Which is why most days I quit well before I’ve gotten as much milk as I could have. Brats!

These two boys have been more work than you might expect. Sure, goats are highly precocious, so you don’t have to do much to care for them (mama does it all if you let her). For example, if they were meat goats, my time with them would have amounted to making sure they were healthy at birth, applying a band around their testicles at three weeks of age (so they drop off relatively painlessly), and calling the butcher to come get them a few months later. 

As it was, my guilty conscience won out (they are my first, after all), which is why the issue is much more complex than that. And because they’re pets, I’ve had to spend time with them every day, making sure they enjoy people. I’ve had to disbud them (see this post). And when they reached the seven to eight week mark, I had to wether them.

Wether? What’s that? Wethering is how we refer to castrating goats, and a wether is the goat equivalent of a steer. A neutered boy goat. So they don’t smell, so their meat stays more tender, or so they can live their lives as great pets, if they get lucky enough.

Problem 1: With pet goats you can’t neuter them too young, as you can with the rubber band trick on three-week-old babies that are intended for meat. That’s because their urethras might not develop like they should, making urinary stones a possibly life threatening problem in the future. (Reminds you of the problem we see with neutered cats, right?)

Problem 2: Neutering them at an older age is a pain! You have these options:

  1. Using a crushing device, which is, a) considered kinda painful, and b) requires considerable practice.
  2. Applying the band, which is considered more painful and risky at 7-8 weeks.
  3. Surgically castrating them, which can be done all kinds of ways and also carries risks (infection, mostly), but which has the benefit of being the one approach I know how to handle.


Problem 3: Electing for surgical castration is problematic when you’ve never, ever performed surgery on a goat before. So here’s what I was thinking I would do:

  1. Knock them down in the morning on my back patio using an intramuscularly injectable, reversible cocktail of drugs.
  2. Whip out a small pack of instruments and slice and dice them like I would if they were dogs.
  3. Done!


Problem is, I have a meticulous veterinary surgeon for a boyfriend (which has its pluses and minuses, I assure you).

So here’s what ended up happening: Where your pets might receive state-of-the-art neurosurgery, have their most serious cancers treated, or find their bones being meticulously teased back into place after sustaining a trauma … that’s where Fleabane and Buttonwood got themselves tutored last Tuesday on their eight week birthday (OK, so not inside the OR, but rather on the table where they do "dirty" surgeries like these). Here are the pics to prove it really happened the way I say it did:

Fleabane gets his meds — yes, that's an IV catheter (I took most pics of him, since he went in first):

Fleabane gets intubated so his rumen juices can't flow back down into his lungs when they come up (a problem with ruminant surgeries):

Prepping the area:

Dr. Wosar in action while Fleabane gets monitored (BTW, he's up at an angle like that so his rumen juices don't come up as readily):

The surgery:

Here he is recovering with some help of one of the other doctors' dogs:

Cute, right?

OK, so now I have to explain the seven-testicle Tuesday thing. It so happened that on this day, my babies’ four testicles were not the only ones on the chopping block. Dr. Wosar also removed two others from a dog after getting some urethral stones out of him, and one more from a dog whose retained testicle had turned into a nasty abdominal cancer (somehow his regular vet had removed only the external testicle a few years ago — can you say "malpractice"?).

Most vet surgeons don’t neuter anything, much less remove seven testicles on one day (this is normally the purview of general practice vets, like me). Needless to say, it was a record day for castration at Miami Veterinary Specialists.

Anyway, back to the kids: Fleabane and Buttonwood are doing great. Their incisions are looking perfect, and they immediately acted as if nothing had ever happened. Problem is, they look too good. Indeed, their fatty little scrotums look as if they still contain testicles. Which is why it’s great that I have all the pictorial evidence above to prove they’ve been castrated should anyone question it.

Which brings me to the final spot of trouble: Finding homes. I’m still working on this. So far I’ve had about five initial bites, but nothing on the line just yet. Which is why I've stepped it up. Check out South Florida’s Craigslist and you’ll find my babies. "Free to a good home," it sort of says. Let’s just hope it happens soon. Though they’re cute as can be, there’s only so much "Nyaaaaaa!" I can take on any given morning.

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Art of the day by me.

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COMMENTS (12)
1
Goats
by on 06/01/2010 06:14am

Oh no, not Craigslist!!! The worst place to advertise for animals. I know you'll be careful checking people out but some may be just too slick.

2
Homer
by on 06/01/2010 07:13am

Hi Patty-

This has absolutely nothing to do with the 7 testicles blog. I am reading Homer's Odyssey by Gwen Cooper and I was wondering if the vet named Patty in Miami was you? If so - thank you for finding Homer a wonderful home after removing his eyes at 4 weeks of age :-)

Joanne

3
Umm..EW!!
by on 06/01/2010 07:47am

I found this latest blog entry very educational, but I had a problem. Not your fault, it's me.

It's kinda funny; I am the kind of person that can accidentally attempt a finger amputation on himself and have no issues. At the same time, if I see someone else with so much as a bloody nose, I get a bit ill. A three stitch cut on someone else's finger will have me reaching for a bucket if I don't faint first. So the descriptions and pictures of the recent goat testicular separation had me woozy. I made an effort to scroll at high speed so I couldn't see the pics.

We have three petting zoos in our area that would probably take at least one of your goats but it's unrealistic as Ohio would be quite a ride for them. I do wish you luck in finding them homes.

4
your little goats!
by on 06/01/2010 08:45am

O GOD I WOULD LOVE THEM! Unfornately my townhouse neighbors would not! And my two schnauzers and 16 cats might be a problem!
Can I come live with you? I could sleep with the goats! LOL
I am a "cat rescuer", trap and take for spay/neuter and find homes. No I don't hoard!! We have a colony at my Church here in Atlantic Beach, FL,3 of us ladies feed and water after their surgery! Of course I end up bringing home sickly or difficult little ones, to get them used to people! And of course I do keep some!!! LOL I do love kitties! Im also a foster mom for Jax Animal Care. Im retired old lady, should have been a vet--darn it! SylV
PS We have a wonderful person here in Jax, Rick Ducharme who started"No More Homeless Pets" he's on the net. Cheap spay/neuter and vet care!

5
FCNMHP
by on 06/01/2010 08:53am

That is the site for no more homeless pets
And my pets talk to me all the time--maybe not words, but whines, squeaks, paws, looks, clinking dishes, waking me up!

6
Cryptorchid
by on 06/01/2010 10:38am

Cryptorchidism can very often result in a partial neutering. It's not even remotely malpractice when the patient's owner declines to pay for the recommended but more expensive surgery needed to go looking for the wayward organ. Before waving the 'Malpractice Flag,' you should get a more detailed history, including whether or not the client opted to have the previous surgeon 'go looking' or not. If you DO have that history, you might mention it in your post, so people don't think you're knee-jerking on the reaction.

7
A little more info...
by on 06/01/2010 12:59pm

..on the cryptorchid thing. Cuz you're right...I guess it did sound kinda rude without the accompanying explanation. Original doc told owners he couldn't find the other testicle after he went in fishing for it. Happens very rarely.

Basically, a half-neuter is equivalent to no neuter. Worse still is the problem that an intra-abdominal testicle is a cancer magnet. When this is explained to owners they're usually given a choice: See a specialist or live with an unneutered animal with a cancer-magnet in its belly.

What would you do?

When owners are given this level of information they usually see the specialist. When they don't receive the info, never get a chance to make a choice, and something bad happens...we call it negligence.

I'm particularly sensitive to this issue bc I used to work with a veterinarian who on more than one occasion failed to find a testicle (sloppy work and laziness is the culprit in most cases), charged lots extra for the surgery and never informed the owners. I didn't work there for long.

8
That's me!
by on 06/01/2010 01:02pm

I was the lucky vet who got to take little Homer's eyes out way back when. Didja like my foreword to the book? (Fishing for compliments.)

9
Craigslist
by on 06/01/2010 01:04pm

Yeah, I've gotten some losers asking already. But don't worry: Everyone will have to submit vet references. That's the easiest way for me, seeing as I know lots of the veterinarians in this area.

10
Coincidence?!
by on 06/01/2010 01:19pm

I just banded the youngest boy yesterday-he was getting just a little too interested in the girls and showing some pink while he was at it.

Good luck in finding homes! They're cuties!!

11
Thanks for the Hx
by on 06/02/2010 12:12pm

Appreciate the expanded information. Yeah, I can see where you might decide to fly the 'Malpractice Flag' on this one. OTOH, whilst not finding the peripatetic organ when you specifically go looking for it is rare, it can happen. And sooner or later, those rare cases ARE going to show up in some other vet's examining room - all the more remarkable for their rarity.

I can also see where this would be a touchy subject, given your own work Hx.

Unfortunately, clients can be weird about surgery and money, and even their pets' health. And not all surgeons are created equal. *Someone* had to be last in the class...

Still sad to run across those intersections of client situation/attitude and surgeon skills (or lack thereof). Which is why you'll never see me as a DVM - I'd be FAR too tempted to speak my mind (or worse) at the inappropriate moment.

12
my dog has a bald spot
by on 06/02/2010 08:26pm

first I just like to say I love goats! We have raised a few and have had some blue ribbon winners. Those were boers and beautiful rascals. One could jump a 7 foot fence, she wanted to go everywhere I went. Our last bunch were 2 black pygmys and 1 nubian. I'm not in best shape so I finally had to retire from the goat raising adventure.
Now, about my dog Max who is a lhapsa-poodle mix. I just noticed an area towards his rearend that is bald. It is probably 6 inch diameter and looks fine other than no hair. I've seen mange before and don't really think that it is. It doesn't look irritated and he don't appear bothered by it. he is silver and black mix in color and the skin is same color so I'm not sure how long it has been this way. I'm kind of thinking there must be some very short layer of hair for it to be that color.

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Patty Khuly, VMD, MBA

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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