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Confessions of a Fledgeling Milkmaid

June 21, 2010 / (9) comments


Tulip’s my goat. To be exact, she’s a doe, as in "doe, a deer, a female deer." As are most cloven-hooved, XX creatures called. Tulip’s great ... mostly. But lately, she’s making me want to wade into a river with rocks in my pocket.

In case you never ran across an ornery doe, I’ll let you in on a secret: Does can be bitches. As in the derogatory term inspired by female dogs.

Forget all those placid pictures of milking time, with milkmaids sitting on their little stools while the cows languidly chew their cud. This is more like playing a speed-milking video game, where you’ve got hooves to avoid and udders to keep ahold of as the doe speed-eats.



Sometimes Tulip has her say by bucking her back legs up in unison. Other times she stomps a foot — lightning fast — right into the milk bucket. Ruined! And when she’s feeling especially frisky, she’ll do a "can’t touch this" dance I’d never imagined possible of a prey species. It would be drop-dead funny if it weren’t so infuriating! Here she is getting only a teensy bit riled up (I call this pic "resistance is futile," which of course it's not).



But things are getting better. Here’s what I’ve tried:

  1. Giving her as much food as she wants to eat while I’m milking her. And this works. But I’ve worked so hard to get her thin I’m scared of getting her all fat again.
  2. Adding golf balls to her food so she eats more slowly (a Brake-Fast bowl of sorts). It worked until she realized she can flick the golf balls out. So much for that.
  3. Tying her leg to the stanchion. I swear I thought the whole thing would fall over. Instead of submitting as I’ve heard other does do, she succeeded in thoroughly freaking me out by half tossing herself off the stanchion.
  4. Adding alfalfa pellets to her grain to get less grain into her during each milking (less fattening) — and yet she deftly avoids them, whipping herself into a frenzy when all else but the pellets have been consumed.


No, Tulip’s not a doe you can reason with. And here’s the trouble: I’m going out of town next month and it'll be impossible for anyone else to milk her unless I get a perfect system down.

In fact, when the first person arrived to learn how to milk her, she kicked up such a stink you'd think it was the devil laying hands on her instead of my mom's mild-mannered Cuban housekeeper. After she was released from the stanchion she even headbutted the help to boot. So much for that. She's been spooked for life (the housekeeper, that is).

Finally, I tried adding calf manna — a tasty, high calorie supplement — along with the alfalfa pellets and the grain, and voilá! It seems she’s so excited to eat the calf manna she’s no longer avoiding the alfalfa.

Now that I’m faster, I can get her milked in ten minutes flat. But I’m hoping that time interval goes up now that I’m feeding the calf manna (since only yesterday). It’s purported to increase milk yields, which means more time at the stanchion. Here she is in front of the object of her love/hate:



Next up: the hard-core vet tech with roots in the Colombian countryside. If she can't milk this doe for $10 a throw (plus the milk) while I'm out of town, I'll be canceling my trip. But I have high hopes for Colombia. Stay tuned for more caprine adventures in suburbia. In the meantime, I'll take any suggestions you might have to offer.

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Pic of the day: "Milk" by me.

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COMMENTS (9)
1
Milking a Nubian
by on 06/21/2010 08:44am

I don't like to make broad sweeping judgments on any one breed, but in almost 20 years of being involved in 4-H and goats I would have to say if someone told me they were having trouble milking a goat and didn't tell me the breed I would guess it was a Nubian and be right 90% of the time. We have owned Nubians and we have owned nice Nubians, but they are few and far between. Which is why we switched to the gentler, though maybe in some peoples opinion not as cute, LaMancha's. I confess you will get a nasty LaMancha, but in my opinion, and that is all that this is, about as often as you get a gentle Nubian.

2
Separated at birth?
by on 06/21/2010 09:16am

Sounds like that bitch Patsy.

Who, in addition to all the "antics" you describe, succeeded in deliberately pitching over the milking stand 3 times when we first started milking.

(Me standing over screaming goat, still in stanchion, with heavy milking stand on top of her "Huh? How's that working for ya? Guess it sucks to be you.")

Solutions:

1) Secured the stand to the wall of the shed.

2) Deep, narrow feed bucket

3) GOAT HOBBLES

4) A REAL bitch, aka Rosie, on a down stay right in front of her, with a "try me" expression on her feral little face.

But seriously, you need some goat hobbles. You can buy them, but I just whipped up a set in the sewing room in ten minutes after seeing the picture. (I'm well-stocked with webbing, buckles, velcro as I make a lot of our own outdoor gear.)

They go on snugly *above* the hock, and the goat can't lift her legs.

Once I got kicking and milk-stand inversion off the table, things became MUCH more pleasant. At first I had to catch Patsy, halter her, and DRAG her to be milked. Now she and Edina fight to get to the stand first.

No kicking over buckets or hooves in the milk.

You absolutely need goat hobbles

3
Tulip
by on 06/21/2010 12:15pm

Never having owned a goat or milked one, I can't offer any helpful suggestions :) However, I did get a great laugh out of this post, although understandably the situation probably isn't that funny to you. I love your posts - you're a good writer. Mammo7

4
Grandin *Goat* Hug Machin
by on 06/21/2010 04:37pm

never milked, but after the laughter subsided thought of a hug machine ala Miss Temple Grandin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hug_machine

good luck!

5
bad goat!
by on 06/22/2010 01:26pm

Wow! And I thought my Nigerian Dwarfs were obnoxious with the drama of being milked. But it was only at first because I was TOUCHING THEM THERE!!! Nevermind I had been handling their udders since birth.

And they're small, so no tipping over of the stanchion.

6
"Touching them There"
by on 06/22/2010 04:30pm

Oh yeah, udder-touch drama.

I think part of the attitude adjustment comes from the relative gentleness of being milked by hand vs. the way their bucklings use their udders as punching bags.

It's really horrifying. Hurts to watch.

7
Clicker Training!
by on 06/23/2010 11:22pm

Dr. Patty, this sounds like a perfect opportunity to use clicker training to your advantage. Using a small noisemaker with a distinct and unique sound, click and offer a yummy treat. Then, as she stands nicely still, click and treat. Then add just a touch to her side and, if she stands still, click and treat. Move slowly through each step, marking and rewarding the behavior you want. Take baby steps toward your goal, working 3 to 5 minutes at a time with short breaks between. You can use all her feed as rewards, thereby controlling how much she gets for each click. Read more at www.clickertraining.com. Have fun!

8
clicker training?
by on 06/24/2010 12:29pm

I had to respond.. LOL... ok. here we have just one goat. clicker possible for this one goat that never moves on to another herd. I laugh (sorry) as this is NOT a selling point. Sure she milks 2 gallons a day but only if you clicker? ;)

bottom line hobbles are great. tieing her to stanchion great. When you have 5 in milk, one like this getting sold. for food.
Who has time to deal with persnickity-ness.

Now granted my first doe too is like this, WAS like this she has since mellowed. And as a my first i was a bit more apt to put up with it. I now have another like this and seriously considering, if not for the lovely long legged babies she produces would put her out to green pastures. :( but i keep her around for pedigree sake. Luckily i have 3 of her daughters who took to the stand perfectly and easily.

I agree it seems Nubians have the worst rep when it comes to this. But then i've freshened 5 more in the last 2 years and every one of them is a doll baby for me. Add another person to the mix? persnickity. Makes it a tad difficult to go away.

9
by on 06/25/2010 03:38am

Just curious "skittlemom," but --

Have you ever milked a goat? Cow? Any animal?

Have you ever fed a goat? Cow? Any ruminant?

No, I don't mean pulled on a teat at the demonstration farm or gone into the petting zoo with a cup of sweet feed.

I mean been responsible for the management of a lactating ruminant.

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

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Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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