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'Girl Hunter' Gets Her Game On ... But Do You Approve?

August 11, 2010 / (17) comments


Few animal issues elicit more mixed feelings for me than those surrounding the subject of hunting. Morally fraught and complex (more so when you consider the changing variables for every different species, location, and method used), it becomes even more problematic when you consider the average American sensibility. 

Indeed, my long-time followers will attest to reading precious few posts on the subject over the past five-plus years. But it’s more than just avoiding an unsavory topic that’s at work here; it’s also that I’m personally conflicted with respect to hunting, given the forms it sometimes takes and the mentality that too often accompanies it.

Which is why I’ve spoken out against the egregious, cowardly kinds of hunts where humans stalk wild animals for a glorified version of target practice, using the excuse that "to cull is to cure" (think Palinesque helicopter wolf-hunts and glamorous big buck kills for chest-beating wall mounts). After all, picking out the biggest, baddest trophy specimens is no way to simulate attrition through competition, disease, and diminished fitness.

Similarly, I’ve decried the attitude that claims "man" deserves to hunt given that he’s been biblically endowed with dominion over all animals (Genesis 1:28). The discussion doesn’t get more brainless than that.

But when it comes right down to it, hunting — when well done — can be a respectable, environmentally sustainable, humane practice that helps stabilize populations and put food on the table in ways far preferable to how most animals are raised for food (though I’ll freely admit this latter point reflects a very low setting of the bar). I mean, I’d undeniably prefer two or three sloppy shots in the brush to a lifetime of crowded indoor conditions and inter-species strife.

Enter Chef Georgia Pellegrini, whom I learned of while reading my Wellesley Alumnae Magazine this past week. Turns out, this 2003 grad of my alma mater went on to culinary school after a less-than-satisfying career on Wall Street. Sometime thereafter, she kindled her rural Italian roots and took up a rifle to take down some savory game.

Hence, her ESPN column on sporty, outdoor foodism and an in-the-works TV show titled, "Girl Hunter."

It was the pin-up pic and the title (both slightly off-putting for my personal politics, I’ll admit) that got me to thinking Ms. Pellegrini’s presentation would almost certainly rub me the wrong way. Yet half an hour later, I was still mining her blog and her ESPN columns on brining bagged game, making duck breast prosciutto, and — best of all — a discussion of salmon rigor mortis.

As a fellow Wellesley woman who also attended a culinary program (though I did pastry), I couldn’t help thinking Ms. Pellegrini and I have more in common than professional animal work and foodie-ism.

She raises her own chickens, dotes on her grandmother, tirelessly pores over old family recipes, spends countless hours in the kitchen, and is obviously addicted to the kind of cooking most people would find mind-numbingly slow. How much more "goat-milkingly Khuly" can she get?

Well, here’s the difference (aside from the pin-up status): Though I’ve tried my hand at spearfishing Florida Keys hogfish, fished tirelessly for Mahi-mahi, and noodled my share of local spiny lobster, I’ve not yet graduated to a full-on rifle assault of any avian or mammalian quarry (though my boyfriend does take me to the shooting range every once in a blue moon).

Not that I’m proud — or not — of my failure to bag a bird or beast. The opportunity has just not been on offer under circumstances I would consider humane, environmentally appropriate, and consistent with animal welfare principles. All of which are very specific, and all of which would necessitate a guide-slash-mentor with a similar sensibility.

No, I’m not opposed to hunting. But I am opposed to hunting mindlessly. And yes, I’m all for eating every bit of my bird and am even susceptible to the lure of big-game, because it fills my freezer with fabulous offal, offers me meat to cure, sausage to stuff, and lobster to stew. But only when it’s fully vetted for sustainable animal stewardship, and without stressing our agriculture species overmuch.

Yes, I’m all about the forage, hunt, and stalk. But only if it’s done right. So can you blame me if I can’t help but hold out hope that the "Girl Hunter" will ask me out on a New England hunting "date" (please)? In exchange, I can offer the Keys and all that in-season spiny lobster. I happen to know a great spot down by Mile Marker 61 …



Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Pic of the day: "georgia pellegrini girl hunter2" sourced from FTMM

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COMMENTS (17)
1
Hunting
by on 08/11/2010 04:11am

You bet it's a touchy subject! I don't even 'go there' anymore. I'm from a family of hunters (the mountains of Colorado). They hunted for their meals... period! Yes, I do have a few trophy heads in my house, but they are all legit! I, personally, don't hunt, as I don't want to eat any of it. And, I would ONLY hunt if I HAD to eat. I keep loaded guns in the house (I feel they are of little use otherwise). But that's a different kind of hunting! Since I'm not a big meat eater, other than tacos (yum), it's not a problem for me. I DO object to 'air' hunting, though - I think that is just wrong. If you want to shoot big game, then do it on foot like the animals! I don't like 'Blinds', 'Tree Perches', etc. No poisoned darts, either - get it done quickly! I feel the same about fur trapping. If you NEED the fur, then eat the animal too! Other than herd preservation, there really is no need to 'weed them out' these days - you know darn well people aren't hunting the ailing animals! I really enjoy shooting... but not hunting. I leave THAT to others:)

2
by on 08/11/2010 06:10am

I would dearly love to learn to hunt. Our area has a huge deer population, with many dying over the winter of starvation, and some good duck and other bird hunting as well. I even chose a pup from a great hunting line with every intention of hunting with him. Alas, my hospital requires me to work all weekend every weekend, so my plans of going out with a mentor and learning the ropes have been thwarted, and I've despaired of training my dog to hunt by myself. It's amazing how no one seems to want to hunt on Tuesdays...

3
Hunting
by on 08/11/2010 06:54am

I have a real problem with killing animals even when it's necessary. To call killing animals "sport" sickens me. Then there is the issue of the way hunters treat their dogs. The shelters here are full of starving and heartworm positive pregnant beagles and hounds....Though sometimes necessary, hunting is nothing to glorify or promote.

4
by on 08/11/2010 08:21am

I am conflicted about hunting also. People who hunt animals like elephants and lions and sharks and rhinos and other things that people do not eat, are not people I could ever understand. Frankly they are repugnant to me and I enjoy reading stories about "hunters" who have the tables turned on them and are stomped by an elephant.

People who hunt responsibly and use every part of the animal, I grudgingly respect but if I am being honest, they still give me the willies. Yes, I understand the hypocrisy of being a meat eater who is sort of anti-hunting and I also get that most wild animals probably live a better life than a lot of commercially farmed animals but the base feeling is still there.

The picture illustrating the article, however, gets my hackles up. The big phallic gun between her thighs? The General Lee, as some sort of good ol' boy bona fides coupled with the Burberry scarf? (All the clashing oranges and reds offend my aesthetic sensibilities as well and fancy cowboy boots make me want to hurl.)

5
Hunting/Fishing
by on 08/11/2010 08:51am

There is nothing wrong with hunting or fishing if one is hungery. But to kill for sport is a sin.

6
email subscription
by on 08/11/2010 09:04am

I can't find anywhere else to get support for my email subscription so I'll put it here and hope someone reads it. I have recently changed my email address and have tried to change it for my subscription, but my subscription continues to come to my old address. Since the old address will cease to exist soon it would be very nice if the subscription would come to the new address. The site seems to know my new address as it filled it in at the top of this comment, yet I get no email subscription at that address.

7
by on 08/11/2010 09:08am

Her site is filled with old photos of people next to carcasses of dead wolves and bears and birds of prey. She is even more repulsive to me now.

8
hunting & email subscrip.
by on 08/11/2010 09:53am

First to address your conflict on hunting. I used to feel that way, but I've not been conflicted about it for a long time. Why? For the very reason that you stated--culling is meant to relieve a herd of sickly and weak animals, not the strong and vigorous (that should be the ones to breed, in order to ensure the continuation of species). So, does that make it okay to hunt and eat the sickly and weak? Maybe. But, I'm not about to eat the sickly and weak...they're sickly for a reason, and I'm not certain it's a good idea to eat an animal if you don't know what has made it that way. (Think parasites that might render YOU prey if you don't cook your "prize" well enough.)

As a child, my cousin had a baby deer as a pet. (The mother had been hit by a car, we lived in a foreign country, where there were no wildlife rehabilitators.) The deer grew into a mighty buck, and he, being a wild animal (that was somewhat neglected), gored the housekeeper when she went out to feed him one day. My uncle, horrified at what had happened, decided the buck had to go. His solution? Slaughter the deer and serve the venison at a party. Imagine my dismay (and nausea) when I learned that the meat I had just eaten was the deer I had played with when he was just a little fawn!

I grew up fishing in the oceans and lakes, because we lived in a country where beef was as tough as rawhide and chickens were a delicacy because of their bone to meat ratio and the fact that you had to have someone kill, pluck and dismember them. We were forced to find sources of protein elsewhere. I won't say I didn't enjoy fishing, but for me, it wasn't about catching the fish...the joy was in being outdoors in the sunshine. Catching the fish was not so much fun, particularly when I had to dress the ones I caught (my father's rule--you must dress and eat whatever you kill). And, fish weren't all we caught/harvested. We caught langostas (tropical lobsters), oysters, scallops, conchs, even octopus. If you've had to capture, kill and clean these animals yourself, you'd probably not find the "sport" of hunting so enjoyable.

Now, about the e-mail subscription problem that donnadw has... I have a similar problem. I need to change the e-mail address to which my subscription is sent. (Hotmail always relegates these newsletters to my spam folder, so if I miss one, I have to go to the website to read it. I need to change my subscription to another e-mail address, but I can't find a way to do so, unless I unsubscribe and then re-subscribe using the new address. There really should be an easier way to move the subscription to a different e-mail address!

9
Hunting
by on 08/11/2010 10:42am

I hunt because I love the outdoors and I like to eat meat that hasn't been pumped full of hormones and antibiotics. My family hunts. We eat what we kill or give it to others to eat. I don't hunt over baited fields or in comfortable shooting houses. Because of that I have to go ALOT and I don't get many deer.I DO hunt from a climbing tree stand because you have a much better chance of getting a good kill shot rather than being on the ground where you can't see as good. And setting up in a tree stand is not always that comfortable, but it is beautiful to watch the woods and the animals from that "tree perch".

I also hunt for my dogs. Remember those meat eaters that we all love so much? They love venison. I would much rather make a great kill shot on a deer that isn't knowing that he is fixing to get killed than to think about my dogs running down a deer and pulling the guts out so that they can eat meat.

I agree with all of those who hate hunting because of those who just take joy in the fact of killing. That is not right. But for all those who freak out about killing animals I bet many of them have meat eating dogs and that meat comes from animals that, unfortunately , must be killed before they can be eaten. And those cattle in the feedlots are treated much more inhumanely than a deer being hunted in the woods by an ethical hunter.

Just like in every segment of society you have your terrible representatives of a particular group but there are also many many others in the group who are not bad. (good cops-bad cops, good teachers-bad teachers, etc) There are many ethical hunters who love animals and the outdoors, not just the "sport of killing" There is way more to hunting than just killing.

On the inability to eat an animal that you have befriended. That is a tough line. I have pet pygmy goats. They are true pets except they don't live in the house. But they go on woods walks with me and my dogs, they sit in my lap (whether I want them to or not) They make me laugh and they make me work hard to keep them healthy. I would never think of eating them. But have I eaten goat before? You bet. When we raised cattle on the farm, we raised a beef for slaughter. We were good to him, fed and handled him and kept him very happy.... and then he died (humanely by a shot in the brain). Because he was treated well he was not fighting and frightened to death because he had never been handled by humans. It was not fun for us to have to kill him, but we are not vegetarians. We eat fish, chicken, venison and beef. They all have to be killed to be eaten. But they don't have to be abused prior to that. And again, everybody on this blog appears to love cats and dogs. They eat meat (unless I am unaware that dogs can become healthy vegetarians) Somebody has to kill that meat for them. When they kill their own meat...they are not very gentle about it. We seem to forget that point.

10
Befriended eats
by on 08/11/2010 11:32am

I've eaten befriended animals. For some reason I can do chicken I've enjoyed in a pet-like way. Though I've not yet had cause to do so, I believe I will be having my kids dressed for my consumption starting next year. Truly believing in animal use sometimes means being OK with consuming enjoyed, befriended animals.

Though I can understand if it's not for everybody. An old hen? I guess you can always give the meat away.

Could I ever eat my own personal indoor pets––like dogs? I could eat dogs, just not MY dogs. The bond is too strong for that. I'd have to be starving. In which case I'd eat human, too, taboos be damned.

11
Support Hunting
by on 08/11/2010 02:01pm

While I no longer hunt myself, I fully support the idea of hunting. I spent a lot of time hunting when I was younger but lost interest. My family owns a fairly large tract of land that we lease to a hunting club. This is necessary because of the proliferation of White-tail Deer have caused considerable damage to the timber. Due to the lack of natural predators, the hunters do us a service by controlling the herd population. This is supervised by the state wildlife officers who set limits for the property and the club conforms strictly to those limits. My son-in-law is an avid hunter, even though I joke that my daughter is a card carrying member of PETA (not really). She does refusde to cook any of the game, but other then that she is fairlky supportive of his hobby.

12
Women hunting
by on 08/11/2010 02:27pm

This is a great story written by Susan Casey for those interested in finding out why a woman might want to hunt. It is very honest and it shows that the real hunt is not all about the killing. There is way more to it...it is being in the outdoors and testing yourself. Same thing with fishing, raising your own garden and protein, milking your own goats. All those things you want to try and do for yourself rather than totally depending on somebody else to feed you.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/kentucky/2006/12/improbable-elk-hunt

If that link doesn't work then just google "Susan Casey hunting story in Field and Stream magazine".

Dr Khuly, if you haven't read any of her stories I think you would like her book "Devil's Teeth". You seem to be the same kind of adventurer.

And Jim2735 I know what you mean by being overrun by whitetails. If it wasn't for my dogs we would never have a single grape off our vines, or much of any garden

13
agree with arriss
by on 08/11/2010 03:18pm

i have to 100% agree with arriss' previous comment. here in MN, if you don't hunt or fish, you certainly know someone who does. Everyone i know that does hunt does it because they love the outdoors, and the like venison (or what have you). Yeah you get some trophies along the way, but it's not 100% the reason you hunt. And if we didn't hunt, we'd be overrun by deer (we still are- every year certain cities have to quietly bowhunt in residential areas to help control the booming deer population. Also Canadian geese as well. The resulting meat is donated to food shelves and homeless shelters)

Whitedogresq commented about how hunters treat their dogs. That's a pretty blanket statement. Everyone i know that hunts that own dogs loves their dogs and during the off season they are treated as family pets. Sure we sometimes get the gun shy beagle turned in at the shelter (once in 5 years that i can remember), but most of these labs and GSPs have a great life and enjoy their job. better than laying around getting fat

14
no hunting
by on 08/11/2010 03:50pm

I am opposed to all hunting. Actually I am opossed to anyone owning a gun of any sort.

15
another woman hunter here
by on 08/11/2010 04:45pm

I also grew up in a hunting/fishing family. And I'm lucky to live in a state so rich in game that private land owners hold special hunts to keep the populations of deer and elk down.

As to the humaneness: nature is red in tooth and claw. If the animal didn't die by my gun, it's slow death by some other predator, starvation, broken limb, or disease. On balance, even a sloppy human hunter's kill is going to be more human than most 'natural' deaths.

16
Real organic meat
by on 08/12/2010 09:51pm

I am not only in a hunting family my husband has a game butchering business during hunting season. My daughter got her first deer at 11 years old. (and proud papa had it mounted which I admit isn't my favorite wall decoration) I am a big fan of the truely organic meat that had a normal life outside of a factory farm and wasn't killed in a slaughter house. It is also food that my husband butchered so I know where it's been. After watching "Food Inc" those are all HUGE benefits to getting your own food these days. And my dogs are also reaping the benefits with an all raw venison diet. (frozen then thawed to help address the parasite issue)

I think people against hunting yet eat meat are clueless. Or at least hypocrites. The majority of hunters ARE doing it to stock their freezers. The less they need to buy the more money they are saving. Not to mention the health benefits. (and venison is yummy!) There will always be those hunters giving the "sport" a bad name.

To my family hunting is food on the table and money in the bank. It is also something that is a stress reliever for my husband, much like fishing is for some people. (Funny how fewer people are against fishing. Could it be because fish aren't as cute as Bambi?) Being that my husband is a police officer the money part is a huge help for us. Lord knows they don't get paid what they are worth!

17
generalizations...
by on 08/16/2010 02:44pm

Whitedogresq - nice generalization there. I don't know anyone who treats their hunting dogs as poorly as you claim. Most folks treat their hunting dogs as family pets.


msodos - Thank God the founding fathers didn't share your sentiment. We have the 2nd for a reason, but maybe you are one of those who believes government can only do good.

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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