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Disbudding 101: Baby Goats, Pain Control, and the Question of Horns

April 20, 2010 / (14) comments


As a fourth-year student in vet school I couldn’t get enough of the field service, food animal student stuff. Much to the bemusement of the large animal faculty, this inexplicably ag-inclined suburbanite undertook extra rotations in field service, large animal nutrition, small ruminant medicine, pathology, and epidemiology.


Everything about my person must have screamed small animal practice — which is probably why the first few days of any food animal rotation inevitably earned me some sideways glances and silent travel time … or the opposite: some extra-tough drilling and plenty of “so prove it” scenarios. (i.e., “If this cold-intolerant, future cat vet thinks she’s getting an easy “A” out of this one, she’s in for a real education in animal agriculture.”)


I would have liked to think my willingness to take on the eastern Pennsylvania winters and winding rural roads in the back of an ancient field service vehicle spoke eloquently for me. But it apparently wasn’t enough for the cornfloss-haired prof who insisted that I be the first to disbud a newborn kid at our first stop of the rotation: a bucolic Nubian goat farm and creamery we serviced frequently during those frigid, late February weeks.


Perhaps I remember it less fondly than it must have happened: An impossibly perfect baby between my knees, a hot iron in my hands, the insistence of the “prove it” peer pressure, and the threat of exposed brain tissue making my head spin with abject fear.


But in the end, it wasn’t the horror of pressing too hard and hurting the baby’s nearby brain that ensured a poor first showing. Rather, it was the terrible certainty that the more I rocked the hand-held iron back and forth on the baby’s head in my efforts to burn away the horn-producing tissue, the more he screamed.


And as reward for my efforts: “Here’s the next one.”


I must have helped disbud at least a half dozen babies that day, and what I remember most is the screaming … and the smell. Like using the curling iron without your mother’s permission and singeing a nice loop of your baby hair. With more or less the same degree of anxiety in its aftermath.


"Disbudding” involves the removal of the barely-there horn buds in baby goats (and other horned critters). Both doelings and bucklings have them. And both tend to have them removed before they hit their two-week birthday.


Though it’s not strictly necessary, most domesticated goats in both pet and production settings tend to have these incipient horns removed via cauterization of the horny tissue. It’s considered far better to prevent their horns’ growth than to have them hurt other animals or their handlers/owners with them. It’s also considered far more humane to disbud than to dehorn (to surgically remove horns after they’ve matured).


The downside to disbudding is obvious: It looks painful because it is. The kids scream and kick and generally stress the heck out. The other downside is even scarier: You can kill the baby if you’re too aggressive with your hot iron. The brain isn’t too far from the horns’ origins, after all. But the truth remains: Death is rare. And the conventional wisdom reigns supreme: Pain that lasts more than a few brief minutes seems rare, too.


But I wasn’t convinced. Nor am I ever when it comes to pain in animals. Given that so much of what we do in modern small animal surgery revolves around pain control, why would I be? Especially now that we understand how much better our surgical outcomes are as a result of greater patient comfort, it’s extra obvious we’d been ignoring animal pain for eons.


This we assume for agriculture species, too. But the economic pressures involved in animal agriculture render many of these exploratory observations moot. We’ve been doing a great job forever and ever. Animals don’t die. Indeed, they thrive after their painful encounters with the business end of a disbudding iron. So why make changes now?


For three reasons, I finally decided: 1. Because that’s how I roll in my own small animal practice. I’m constantly toying and tinkering with new pain control techniques on my canine and feline patients. Why would I consider anything less for my own kids? 2. Because my initial firsthand experience on the disbudding thing was so horrible, I figured it had to be better if I added some pain relief to the protocol. 3. Because my ambivalence at having the procedure performed at all was making me feel as if I’d need some form of redemption after the fact, even if it arrived in the guise of a nerve block.


So it was that when Fleabane and Buttonwood were born three weeks back, I was prepared to disbud my own babes. Pain control would definitely be included, but only with the assistance of an expert, I’d decided. It had been too long, and my first tries were too traumatic to ever consider doing it myself — not right off the bat, anyway.


So last week we finally made the two hour drive to southeastern Florida’s most famous, oft-used disbudder (name respectfully omitted). His western West Palm Beach homestead was crawling with salubrious life, and hope for more of the same. What can I say? I just got a good feeling from the goats, dogs, ducks, cats, and geese that made their home there. But when he brought out his homemade kid box to secure the babes during the disbudding, I shuddered.


Eventually we got through it. Still, both kids screamed throughout, leaving little doubt as to the stress of the nerve-blocking injections … and plenty of questions concerning the degree of pain relief I’d managed with my lidocaine ring block protocol (sourced from two different textbooks — one on anesthesia, one on goat medicine).


Within ten minutes, though, neither looked any worse for wear. And that’s how I remember my vet school victims coming through: lots of stress during, little evidence later. It’s also how I’d describe my three-day-old tail docks, both with and without nerve blocks: lots of crying during, no crying after.


So why stress about the pain relief — or about the disbudding at all — if they seem to do so well afterwards? Hmmmm …


I guess it all comes down to the obvious. I know where the nerves live, so I know I can block them with safely-applied drugs. I also know that animals signal their alarm far better than they show their pain. So why would I not address the possibility of pain?


Nevertheless, the better question remains: Why remove the dastardly horn buds at all??

 

 

Dr. Patty Khuly

 

 

Art of the day by Jojo Milano, "goat woman" extraordinaire. Enjoy.

 

Fleabane getting shaved prior to the procedure:

 

 

Buttonwood in box:

 

 

Fleabane in arms:

 

 

The nerve block in action:

 

 

The burns:

 

 

Mom's reaction … (nervous smile, for sure):

 

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COMMENTS (14)
1
pain control
by on 04/20/2010 05:50am

i have noticed this before from my minimal experience of animals and pain, and I wonder if something i have been enquiring a lot more about, mind body techniques and working with pain and trauma, can answer part of this conundrum. It will sound flaky i guess to many but i keep encountering the ancient spiritual truth that the reason we suffer from anxiety and all manner of other things, is our thinking minds and the fact that we resist,analyse, try to make sense of experience intellectually. At an energetic level I am told, we tense our bodies repeatedly, and we hold onto negative experience and this makes pain many many times worse, and leaves us traumatised by it... but animals have a far healthier reaction in a sense, it passes through their experience and is gone. Who knows.
The fact remains though that whilst we dont know for sure,and as long as we cannot hear it confirmed from them in words, we clearly need to do all we can to minimise their pain.

2
Ugh!
by on 04/20/2010 07:03am

Screaming baby goats. Not sure I could handle that, but I guess I'd have to if I did not want to be injured or have them injure their pals later on.
Worst baby scream I ever heard was a rabbit. Absolutely insanely horrible. It was the work of a barn cat.

The goats look cute minus the burns. I'm glad it is over for you and the goats. And yes - pain control should be of the utmost importance.

3
Nerve blocks work!
by on 04/20/2010 08:02am

Block the cornual nerve; disbudding is then low stress and no screaming. Dairy operations have it down to an art. Iron has to be hot enough and then place, rotate and lift. Complete ring of copper-color flesh around horn bud means you did it right. Beware lidocaine toxicity in goats.

Tell Jojo Ken from UF Vet School says "Hi!"

4
Why debud?
by on 04/20/2010 09:19am

Well, I don't have goats...but I presume debudding is a good idea for the same reason that you wouldn't want to casually teach a horse to rear. You can't guarantee you'll always have the horse, and a horse who rears frequently or has learned to rear in a begging way might be labeled "dangerous."

I'm guessing a goat with horns is more difficult to manage, and possibly could be a danger to other goats or people. Or to other livestock--didn't you mention that one of your kids is going to be a buddy to horses?

5
Disbudding
by on 04/20/2010 09:21am

Very interesting and thoughtful article. Thx. for posting.

6
working with large animal
by on 04/20/2010 11:20am

Dehorning and debudding calves is one of the worst procedures I've ever done on large animals (not a vet, just a worker on a ranch at one time), I will be glad when they figure out how to do it painlessly, if they ever do. Using polled breeds is the best way to avoid it, but sometimes horns just happen. They don't dehorn out here (western US) much that I've ever seen, the cows are out on range pasture most of the summer, and need those horns occasionally.
I spend most of my time around pigs, so our biggest painful procedure is castration (IMO). Right now, we are trialing a drug for the FDA that is a two shot injection for young boars that makes castration unnecessary. The biggest obstacle to overcome is that the injection can be just as effective on men as it is on pigs, so we're not sure how that will work out. It's a hormone shot that is already used in Europe, so we already know it works, it's really just a safety trial more than anything.
It would be nice to never have to perform a painful procedure on any of our animals, but reality happens.

7
by on 04/20/2010 11:30am

I know exactly how you feel! I was lucky enough to have a vet fairly close (an hour drive each way) that always used Iso to sedate the kids for disbudding, and casterating. It was so much nicer for me (and I'm sure the kids), that the only real discomfort they had was the time away from mom.

8
because of the fencing
by on 04/20/2010 11:50am

The biggest reason to disbud is because horns on goats can be a death-trap when they get caught in fencing.

Woven wire, high-tensile, godforbid barbed wire, stock panels, hay racks, hay nets, bucket bails -- all can catch a nebby goat by the horns and trap him. The goat is likely to die in the struggle to get free.

If the wire is electrified, all the worse.

If I was herding my goats in some fence-less Alpine valley, I'd leave the horns. But fencing and other horn-traps are a fact of life in a regular farm environment.

My does are naturally polled. The buck who is responsible for their impressive girths is not, nor was their sire. It's not good practice to breed polled to polled, as there is a high incidence of hermaphroditism in homozygous offspring. (It's a dominant trait for which you always want the animal to be heterozygous.) I can hope that my impending kids will inherit a copy of their mothers' hornless genes, but it's only an even bet. In the absence of ANY small ruminant vet in this area, I need to be prepared for dehorning and castration.

9
horns or no?
by on 04/20/2010 01:17pm

I leave the horns on my goats-they're small goats and they all had horns when I got them. But I do have on who determinedly gets her head stuck whenever she can. In the same place if possible. And sometimes I wish for an instant 'horn-away' when someone swings their head and I get clipped.

I have impending banding of bucklings coming up. I did test runs this weekend of buckling sitting calmly in lap, and how to manipulate the darned elastrator. I suppose you just roll the band off? That step is not mentioned in anything I had to read at home-and I can't remember from the one observed banding. Any advice out there before I hit the internets?

10
disbudding
by on 04/20/2010 03:05pm

I decided against disbudding the 6 goats that have been born at my place. Neighboring dogs sometimes come over, and I want them to be able to protect themselves. They have gotten their horns stuck in the fence a few times, but we check on them several times a day, and help them out. They have learned now how to turn their heads around, and not get stuck (but we still check on them every few hours!). I have not have any problems with them butting anyone, with the exception of the only male (a wether) I have. He is head honcho of the herd. I "wrastled" him to the ground the first time he butted me, and he has never done it to anybody since!
Dr. Khuly, have you checked out Fiascofarm.com?

11
disbudding, redux
by on 04/20/2010 03:45pm

I LOVE the iso recommendation. I WILL go there next time (with the nerve blocks, too). The problem with these nerve blocks was that I think I got too nervous about the dose and diluted too much. We did a ring block (according to one text) but emphasized a couple of areas (according to the other text). Kinda hedged our bets––maybe too much

Problem with the screaming is that they started it before the disbudding. Once in the box they wouldn't stop. Even during the shaving. It was hard to assess pain at that point, but they seemed comfortable pretty soon thereafter. Regardless of the screaming, no one will ever convince me not to use a local.

Drugs r good.

12
by on 04/21/2010 02:57am

Ah, I was going to ask about the onset of the screaming.

Over the last year I have become regrettably familiar with the many situations that a goat sees as appropriate opportunities to scream like a human being murdered.

Relatively few of these involve anything other than some minor inconvenience to said goat, but one could reasonably conclude from the recitation that said goat was suffering a brain prolapse through her nostrils.

It is *quite* difficult to estimate the severity of pain and the adequacy of analgesia in a patient who shrieks blue murder when her grain bucket is empty.

http://cynography.blogspot.com/

13
screaming vs pain
by on 04/21/2010 09:22am

I know when my piggy got neutered you couldn't tell exactly when the vet neutered him. He screamed from when they carried him out of the room until he came back and got his bottle. Poor upset piggy.

Then he sat on my lap(with a towel) and enjoyed looking out the window on the drive home.

14
Illusion of being fine
by on 04/26/2010 02:31pm

As a vet, you surely know that animals -- especially prey animals -- mask pain well. Just because they seem fine after having their horn buds burned off doesn't mean they are. It more likely means they don't want to seem vulnerable to predators despite having gone through something traumatic.

We have four goats at our home, including a new one named Dolly who was found abandoned by a roadway with only three hooves. Her horns are only partial. Our vet said she couldn't tell if they'd been debudded or cut when older, just that they'd grown out since whatever trauma happened to her. And, I'll tell you, for me personally, I prefer the full horns. I've been hooked by the horns before I knew my way around goats but now I have no problem with them, and I prefer the full horns because they're easier to grab and hold when you need to examine the goat or brush their fur or trim their hooves.

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Patty Khuly, VMD, MBA

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Dr. Khuly is a former petMD blogger and small animal veterinarian in Miami, Florida, where she practices medicine at Sunset Animal Clinic and serves on the board of the South Florida Veterinary Medical Association. She is a graduate of Wellesley College, the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine, and The Wharton School of Business.

As a significant sideline, she writes...a lot. She authors pet health columns for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Vetstreet. She also writes a popular monthly column for Veterinary Practice News and serves as regular contributor to Veterinary Economics, The Bark, and the Veterinary News Network.

Dr. Khuly lives in South Miami with her brood of hens, goats, dogs, cats...and humans.

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