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Food trials and tribulations for allergic pets

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March 14, 2009 / (35) comments

Here’s a popular subject in my place of employ: For every single one of my patients diagnosed with allergies, I’ll recommend a “food trial.”

 

Here’s when we ask you, the pet owner, to either purchase ungodly-expensive bags and cans of foods...or to spend inordinate amounts of your time (and maybe even more of your money) whipping up pet cuisine at home. 

 

Have you ever received such a recommendation? Did you look at your veterinarian as if she might have confused you for a zillionaire?...or someone who has better things to do with his time than cook for his pet? 

 

That’s the look I usually get. It’s the one that says, “You mean for me to spend all this money just because his ears get dirty? Seriously?”

 

Let me back up and explain, now that I’ve broached the subject at its weakest point:

 

Pets get allergies altogether too frequently. It’s a common trait in many breeds and they boast a wide array of manifestations. Though most commonly evidenced by skin troubles (foot licking, head shaking, smelly ears, itchy underarms, skin rashes, butt rubbing, hair loss, etc.), gastrointestinal concerns can also be related to an animal’s reaction to proteins and carbohydrates found in certain foods.

 

That means your pet may be allergic to one or more proteins like milk, eggs, beef, chicken, lamb, soy, turkey, duck...and/or to one or more of any number of carbs like wheat, corn, potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, peas, carrots, etc. 

 

Though fleas and contact allergies––along with inhalants and other environmental allergens––can also be at play, food allergies affect a sizable enough percentage of allergic animals to make their specific diagnosis (yea or nay) a necessary part of any allergic pet’s veterinary work-up.

 

Because the standard skin and blood tests for these ingested proteins and carbohydrates aren’t exactly the most specific kind of allergy tests we have in our arsenal, a feeding trial is undoubtedly the best method for diagnosing a food-related allergy. That means we eliminate all of the proteins and carbohydrate we believe your allergic cat or dog may have been exposed to and very strictly offer them only new ones. 

 

This kind of food trial is called an “elimination diet.” It’s best employed in conjunction with other allergy tests and strict ectoparasite (i.e., flea) control, but can work very well as a standalone starting point for allergy determination––as long as you’re careful to rule out any and all possible ingestion of anything but the new proteins and carbs.

 

Yes, the key is to strictly manage the pet’s diet so that even tiny beef treats, carrot nibblers, backyard lizards and even meat-flavored medications and supplements are left out of the deal. Must give heartworm meds? Move over to Revolution for the duration so no possibility of protein or carb contamination will wreak havoc with your approach. (Yes, even teeny-tiny amounts of allergens can get the allergic ball rolling again.)

 

So you want my pet on this horrifically restrictive new diet for life? No treats forever?

 

No, not for life. Eight to twelve weeks is usually all we ask. If you’re careful about doing it right you may just find that your pet gets the relief he needs. And treats can always be fashioned out of the new diet’s ingredients. 

 

Now for the sticky part: The foods veterinarians recommend run the gamut. Here’s a list of common recommendations:

 

  • Some veterinarians recommend a simple change from one diet to any other that does not contain the same carbohydrates and proteins the last food did. This can work, but requires an owner’s thorough understanding of all the ingredients the pet has received in the past and which foods on the market don’t carry them. Though it can be done with some diligence and simple research, that can get tricky.
  • Many veterinarians counsel owners to try diets with proteins and carbs rarely present in other foods. Kangaroo, rabbit, salmon, barley, beans and brown rice might sound nice, but if you’re accustomed to feeding your pets super-premium foods, be aware that your past diets may have contained some of these fancy ingredients. In that case, the new foods, “hypoallergenic” as they may be labeled, may be no match for your pet’s well-prepared immune system. 
  • Cooking is commonly recommended. That allows you to use just a couple of ingredients you know your pet’s never been exposed to. Sure, it can get expensive to feed scallops and quinoa for eight weeks but heck, you gotta do what you gotta do, right?
  • Hydrolyzed protein diets are all the rage. Hill’s Z/D is the king of these foods and, frankly, I have most success with it. The idea is that the hydrolyzed proteins in the diet are no longer recognizable as those occurring in nature––therefore the immune system will not respond to this non-allergen. Wheat is also omitted, which Hill's considers the number one carbohydrate allergen. Still, consider that if your pet is allergic to other carbs, this diet may not be for you.

 

The idea with all these diets is to consider their implementation a diagnostic tool. Should a pet owner meet with success with these food trials (AKA, elimination diets), the goal now becomes checking to see which proteins and carbs are at fault. Adding one in every month is my preferred tack. 

 

Sure, the trials and tribulations of food allergy diagnosis can be frustrating, but how many other tests do you know of with [almost] no side effects AND the ability to treat your pet’s disease along the way? 

 

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by Sherry on 08/27/2009 12:14pm

I have a six year old Llaso Apso who is battling allergies her entire life.  I have seen what the medications of all sorts are harming her I have completely remove her from all medications and working on her yeast infection which is clearing up. I've totally have change her diet to Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Diet Duck and Potatoe, can, Meat log.  What a difference all natural food and those meat logs are a big hit she can't seem to get enough! No more Science Diet, the worst food for allergies! My baby is allergic to corn, beef, Wheat, Rice, and Dairy. Spending the money on the food is lot cheaper than the vet. I was using two vets.

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by Susan on 08/27/2009 08:26am

I have an Ialian Greyhound who has been extremely, life threateningly ill.  Vets could not control this.  Constant vomiting (no diarrhea), extreme weight loss, lethargy.  Took her to the Animal Medical Center in NYC (very, very expensive).  After being admitted (and wiping out all my savings) it was determined that she has IBD.  (Irritable Bowel Disease) and testing indicated food allergies as the cause. A note here - the vet and staff were wonderful and saved the life of our dog.  I highly recomend AMC.  Probably saved time and money in the long run over all the tests I was doing locally.


We tried the elimination diet, supposed to be Canin hypoallergenic kibble which our dog. absolutely refused despite it being obvious she was starving.  In desperation we made up our own - white fish (whiting), and sweet potatoes.  She is eating that and doing well.  She is still on prednisone, cerenia, pepcid and a host of other medications. We are tapering them off.  She will be on a restricted diet and prednisone for life.  Will need a veterinarian nutritionist to balance her diet, though. On our veterinarians advice we added canned salmon and we include a small amount of cooked carrots. The salmon was to add the calcium from the bones.  We tried adding a commercial paste vitamin supplement, instant problems so we stopped that.  Amazing how a tiny amount of the wrong thing causes an immediate problem.


She gets absolutely nothing to eat but what is on her diet.  No treats, no scraps. We are told this is a chronic condition that we will need to treat for life.  We are slowly decreasing the prednisone until we can get to the dose that she will continue for the rest of her life.  I thought we fed her a very good diet. before this occurred.  With allergies that doesn't matter. She is doing well, almost back to her normal happy self.  (OK, one new problem, urinating in her sleep.  Probably from the prednisone.  I didn't say this was easy).


Food allergies need to be addressed pronto, before your pet reaches the stage of serious health problems. I had no idea how serious this could become.  Our dog was very close to dying, despite all the best efforts to treat her.  Before AMC she had been diagnosed with and treated for chronic pancreatitis.  Now I cook her food.  Worth it, though time consuming and my house smells like fish constantly.

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by Lee M. on 03/20/2009 12:25am

Short comment: ALL my vets have advocated food trials for allergies as a first effort. Short of that is allergy testing which is more expensive. What amazes me is what I hear from friends, colleagues and neighbors who own pets and see OTHER vets: ALL seem to be on meds or wearing E-collars and diagnosed as not normal for biting their paws and other body parts. When I've suggested it could be a food or environmental allergy and to try a new vet VOILA: those who followed thru had at a minimum some modicum of success! Why are so many vets willing to use pred and meds unnecessarily vs. diagnose a food trial or/allergy testing? Am I one of the few lucky ones who's done my homework and found the few good vets in Miami along with Dr. K (whom I've yet to visit but will!)

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by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/16/2009 08:59pm

Sassy: Thanks. But you know how to use the link button, right? If not, download Firefox or safari for easy links in your post. You rock! :-)

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by Sassy on 03/16/2009 08:29pm

OK, I have the references, but I warn you, the list is a long one.  I'm leaving off authors' names for brevity's sake, but can supply them if needed.


"Gastroscopic Food Sensitivity Testing in 17 dogs" Journal of Small Animal Practice 1994, pp199-203.


Skin Responses in the dog and cat to Ingested Allergens" Veterinary Record 1967, 709-713 (Yeah, I know, old, but good)


"Food Allergy in Dogs and Cats.  A Review and Report of 43 cases" Veterinary Dermatology 1990; 1: 55-62


"Diagnostic Testing of Dogs for Food Hypersensitivity"  Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 1991; 189: 245-250


"Validity of Skin Testing for Diagnosis of Food Allergy in Dogs" Journal of the Amerucan Veterinary Medical Association  1992; 200: 677-680


"Food Allergy and Dietary Intolerance in Dogs: A report of 25 cases"  Journal of Small Animal Practice 1992; 34: 175-179


"Food Hypersensitivity in 20 dogs with Skin and Gastrointestinal Signs" Journal fo Small Animal Practice 1995; 36:529-534


"Food Hypersensitivity in Cats: 14 cases (1982-1987)  Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 1989; 194:692-695


Food Intolerance in cats with cutaneous manifestations: a review of 17 cases" European Journal of Companion Animal Practice 1995; 5: 27-35


"Responses of Dogs with Food Allergies to Single-Ingredient Dietary Provocation" Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association 1991; 189: 245-250


"Evaluation of Serum Allergen-Specific IgE for the Diagnosis of Food Adverse Reactions in the Dog"  Veterinary Dermatology 1998; 9: 167-171


"A Retrospective Study of Canine and Feline Cutaneous Vasculitis (abstract). In: Proceedings, Annual Members Meeting AAVD and ACVD, San Antonio TX, 1998 27-28


"Spontaneous Allergic Dermatitis and Enteritis in a Cat" Veterinary Record 1968; 83: 35-41


"Food Allergy in Cats" Journal of the American Animal Hospital Association 1982; 18: 188-194


Whew, there are more, but my fingers are falling off!  Go read the thread about Cesar instead!  Much more entertaining!

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by PJBoosinger on 03/15/2009 09:04pm

"the problem is the immune mediated diorder, not the skin condition"  As a kid, my doctors always wanted to see skin, hair, eyes, toenails and fingernails.  Hold out your hands and turn them over, stroke the skin on the forearm, etc.  They didn't explain and many of us thought them odd.  Then about 2 decades of docs not doing this and relying exclusively on "objective" tests chosen with little basis other than guessing.  My Rheumatologist did this old fashioned exam the last time I was in and his choice of tests was far more effective and the results more informative and helpful to us both.  Of course, the worse my skin issues get, the more clues he gets for the underlying immune issues.


Hope Dr. K does much more on immune disorders in pets.  I'm guessing they're a big bugger for vets to diagnose too.  It would be helpful to know what skin conditions and other visible signs might point to them in pets.  (My own theory on immune disorders also involves a communicable element much along the lines of Hanson's disease, one that takes a long time of exposure to transmit and hasn't been identified yet.)  I certainly hope there's no chance vets would give up their hands on, full body exams for a period of time like the human docs did.

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by Greg on 03/15/2009 12:08pm

LorriM, Deanna, others: The comment on skin being the largest area for allergies to show up & intestinal has got to be the most difficult to find the "root cause"


It makes me think of a human family member, that nearly 50 years ago, had a vaccine-reaction to an egg based serum. Well this person went on to a life of dermatology and elimination of substances. No doubt caused the immune system to go topsy turvy and culminated to Crohn's Disease in her early 20's.


I do NOT advocate elimination of vaccines, but repeated use throughout life of both animals & people or administration of multiples/combos protocols should be heavily considered, IMO.


And yes, (groan), it was personal experience with "Pocket" that raised awareness of the connection of immune disorders "big time" shortly after receipt of second DHLPP in puppyhood, that caused chronic disorders , the biggest being skin/hairloss and thyroiditis at an awfully young age.


Barbara A. Albright/NH

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by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/15/2009 09:51am

lindabcs: I'm sure you know this already but in response to your comment, I just wanted to clarify for others that food intolerances and food allergies are often two separate issues. 

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by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/15/2009 09:49am

And I amended my eight week commentary to 8-12. Honestly, though, if I'm seeing zero improvement by eight weeks I'm not likely to get my clients to go any further. But we should all aspire to the greater length. After all, I've also seen some animals only begin to improve after eight weeks (mine!). It's also complicated by the fact that few clients accept the strictness of this diet, occasionally slipping up and refusing to admit it. I know this because of how hard its been for ME to adhere to food trials for my own dogs. 

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by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/15/2009 09:39am

Sassy: I stand corrected on the terminology of "novel." Yes, it means "new" proteins...for that animal. I tend to steer clear of the term "novel" except when referring to truly unusual proteins like that of the hydrolyzed variety. But that's a personal preference and not what the industry goes by. I will amend this post to reflect your accuracy. 

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by LorriM on 03/15/2009 07:03am

I think that the skin is a place where other more serious underlying health issues show. You can see that in humans as well.


with many immune mediated disorders, it is not uncommon to find people more sensative to certain foods, as well as health and beauty products. But the problem is the immune mediated diorder, not the skin condition.


I believe that is what is happending in many of our pets. The skin is a symptom of something bigger actually happening within the pet's system. But the skin gets treated (and should be treated) because it is seen and the animals is seen being uncomfortable with it.


I also support the theory that feeding unnatural items to pets can contribute to the issue. In the wild, the only corn a cat is going to eat, is the corn the mice might have eaten before the cat ate the mouse...


The commerical pets foods are a good reason to cook for your pets. I've been doing it for about a year now, it really doesn't take that much time and it really doesn't cost an enormous amount more than commerical diets. The harder thing is to either go to the grocery store more often., or have an extra freezer so you can have everything you need on hand.


I feed a good amount of raw now as well.


But we live in a chemical happy society where we are slowly and surely poisoning ourselves to death and our pets along with us.

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by Galadriel on 03/15/2009 12:52am

Food allergies turned out to be a huge hassle for us--because it seems our cocker spaniel does NOT have food allergies.  He was sick for a year; after about four months of being just "off" and generally unwell, he started itching.  We thought, "Food allergies!"  We briefly tried a lamb & rice food, just to see if it'd help, and he went from itchy and lethargic to itchy and miserably depressed, with liquid bowel movements--oops. 


So we made a chart with all the food ingredients, additives, etc he'd had for the past year; we found a food we could buy locally that had none of them in it.  We fed him that food exclusively (no treats, nothing--oh, and the poor li'l guy hated it) for 5 months, and he got more and more sick: no appetite, no energy, depressed, cold all the time even in FL spring and summer, shivering, vomiting, diarrhea, itchy skin turned into horrible skin infections and ears that wouldn't clear up.  All he ever did was lie around and chew himself.  He had such a low quality of life we contemplated euthanasia.


He'd been and been and been to the vets, and all they gave him was an assortment of antibiotics (which ALSO made him more sick).  Eventually we just took him off the antibiotics and changed his food back to the one he'd been on first.  He improved, but was still sick.  Found yet another vet, who said, "Let's just try antihistimines anyway," and everything cleared up. 


$3000 worth of tests, procedures, including a few diagnostic surgeries!   A year of misery, so bad we thought we were going to have to put him to sleep.  Permanent damage to his skin and who knows what else.  And all he needed was allergy medication, even though he doesn't seem to have *food* allergies.  ARGH.

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by Chuck on 03/15/2009 12:00am

I'm not dismissing it.  It's just a lot harder to trace using common sense.  I mean, I know that the febreeze I use, and fabric softener and hairspray, and dozens of other things would probably cause problems.  But in a dog that isn't over vaccinated and is fed a good diet for a carnivore would have a better immune system in order to filter and pass these toxins with less effects than a dog that has an already comprimised immune system.  I know I'm no vet but I do a lot of reading as well and I find most of my answers on the interweb  too.  When my dog broke a dew claw on the ice I went to my vet ($130 to use pliers to rip the rest of the claw off and a bandage....), when my cat got into the dog food and developed bladder crystals I went to the vet (cause he passed a lot of blood in his urine).  But in reality my pets don't have many of the problems that are seen in a lot of other animals that I know (ie. skin problems, obesity etc...).  What was my point again.....I dunno anyways, I hope it was worth something anyways.

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by Sassy on 03/14/2009 11:41pm

I like how civil everyone is being in this discussion!  I don't often find that in any discussion pertaining to food!


Calliegoose - thanks for the idea about separating water bowls.  I hadn't thought of that!


LorriM - environmental factors are very important in allergies in dogs and cats.  There is ongoing research that is finding much of what you mentioned.  As for skin tests that show nothing - I've seen two of those in the past year.  Not actually nothing, but nothing high enough to be causing problems.  At this time, as Dr. K mentioned, there is no definitive test for food allergies.


Lindabcs - you bring up some good points.  I will look for the clinical studies I referenced; they are at work, and I am at home; that is if I remember (my rememberer is not great!)!  My memory of them is that in dogs, 68% of food allergies involved beef, dairy, and wheat.  Corn was an allergen for less than 10%(? not sure of number, but low) of animals.  So it can be an allergen, but not as much as is thought by the general public.


evet - there is, as I said, ongoing research on additives, preservatives and gm ingredients.  Most of the additives used commercially today have shown little allergic response (not none, but in a very small population).  I am a fan of as few additives as possible, and natural preservatives.  GM ingredients are something that increasingly we can't get away from.  I'm glad there is research being done, but I wish it was done before these things hit the market - and I'm thinking of human food as well as animal!  I live in a farming community, and I see a lot of GM crops being grown around here.


Deanna - can you give the name of the DVM who gave that presentation?  I am always interested in more information on animal nutrition.  Or perhaps a website where I could get more information?


melissa - I wish I had more clients with your dedication to feeding homemade diets for their pets!  I'm glad you found something that works for you, and I'm sorry your vet wasn't more helpful.


Sarah - yes, cats are extremely difficult to switch foods with!  They are notoriously picky.  I've had some success with having clients introduce new foods one kibble at a time - literally!  Add one kibble of the new food mixed into the old food, and increase by one kibble a day!  It can take months to switch, so it takes dedication!  I prefer wet diets for cats to dry, so with the really picky ones, I advocate trying one tiny (what you can pick up with a toothpick) amount added to the previous food - mixed in well, and increasing very slowly as well.  If the clients stick it out, they usually can have success.  But in the end, you have to feed the cat what it will eat.


Someone asked me recently what my philosophy of animal nutrition is.  I hadn't thought about it before that!  I believe that we should feed what the animal needs for optimum health, and what it is willing to eat.  This can be different for every animal.  I don't condemn anyone for what they feed, though I do my best to get pets off of Ol' Roy!  Condemnation only makes people defensive. I love clients who are concerned enough to do research on their own, and are willing to try to keep their pet healthy through optimum nutrition.

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by PJBoosinger on 03/14/2009 11:40pm

Chuck, I'm mostly with you on this one.  But don't dismiss the effects of the chemical overload we're all suffering from due to the enormous amounts of crud we dump into the general environment.  After several generations of improving general health and life span in humans, a reversal has begun and most doctors seem to be scratching their heads and trying very hard to ignore the cumulative load we've put on ourselves.  We put chemicals in our water to make it "clean" and "safe" but we injest and absorb those chemicals.  Then there's all that's in the air these days.  Yeah, OK, so 0.1 grams of chemical X is "safe" and all those chemicals are tested in isolation for maximum tolerance but the cumulative effect is just completely ignored.  I have the same issue with combo vaccines.  Even now there's no serious attempt to track post use in the "real world" rather than in laboratories and adverse effect reporting is abysmally under reported.


I'm no kind of scientist and I simply don't get how scientists can so easily cubby hole and dismiss the whole; don't see the forest for the trees.

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by PJBoosinger on 03/14/2009 11:30pm

Dr. K, want to shock your patients?  Take a picture of a dog who has rubbed all the hair off her face (what I call raccoon face), pulled all the hair from between her toes, has welts all over her body, and virtually no hair, with pink to flaming red skin where it isn't graying from prednisone, and is already on 10 mg every other day of prednisone at less than 30 pounds of doggy weight.  This was the point at which I started to seriously question my willingness to listen to vet advice.  When we went up to 20 mg of prednisone every other day and several vets just shrugged when I asked for ANY other options, I lost my temper.  Half a dozen vet visits and not one of them suggested that diet might be part of the issue!  One of my few regrets is that I don't think I took any pictures of my girl when she was in that horrendous condition.  I wish I had if for no other reason than to be able to show others what may eventually happen if they don't take the allergies seriously from the start and, if their vet isn't doing so, find a new vet.


New vet put her on z/d which helped a lot but I suspect that's partially because she was in such awful shape at that point.  He was the first to say "food allergies" and give me some printed materials to read and, once I had some basic foundation, I headed for the internet.  He recommended a dermatologist vet.  My surgeon vet suggested the same person.  We saw her because both of them emphasized that she would focus on diet and environment, identify the allergens, and treat.  NOPE.  She has one single brand of food she pushes and then she throws a combo of drugs in and every other day bathing in a harsh chemical shampoo which is about the worst thing you can do to a Shiba coat and skin.  The combo of drugs was Atopica (cutely package and grossly over priced cyclosporine), Temaril (trimeprazine and prednisolone and allegedly safe for dogs although Allergan pulled all its trimeprazine products from the human market in 1999), prednisone, antibiotics and one more that I can't remember.  Testing?  What testing?  Nope, no skin scraping, no blood work, just the usual poke and prod and looky loo.  Here's your $450 doc, bye, bye, never coming back!


The z/d did help but I'm also very convinced that my Shiba is sensitive to one or more of the chemicals contained in z/d.  With my Shiba, I'm having to watch every single ingredient she eats not just the proteins and carbs and that is particularly difficult with pre-fab dog food.  It is incredibly sad to say that I found most of my answers on the internet rather than through local vets that I paid.


In retrospect, it appears I've had three dogs with serious and mostly undiagnosed allergies so this is a topic that tends to send me off on a rant-against-vets tirade.  It torques me worse than human docs because most of the vets I've known are much smarter than human docs and I really, really don't understand why they would ever let a pet suffer in the simple ways they so often do.

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by Chuck on 03/14/2009 11:23pm

LorriM

You got it 80% right in my opinion. But I believe (obviously due to my previous post) that food and over vaccination are the biggest culprits. We should be feeding carnivores meat. Not corn or wheat. Cats are true carnivores and can't live without meat, dogs can live without meat, but they need meat to thrive.

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by Chuck on 03/14/2009 10:48pm

Does anyone else think that maybe our dogs and cats are allergic to things that they wouldn't normally eat if they weren't domesticated? I had this conversation with a Eukanuba rep one time at a dog show. It ended up with her turning her back on me and saying that every animal is different. I had pointed out that wolves in the wild don't eat ground yellow corn or rice bran. She then asked me if I knew that wolves only lived about 7 years in the wild. I agreed but then pointed out that wolves in captivity are fed natural diets (meat, fur, skin, fat, bone) and they live to be 15-20 years old. I don't know about all you folks but I don't know of many dogs that live to be 20 years old these days. And with stuff like ethoxyquin, BHA/BHT in our pet foods it is no wonder that cancer is the number one cause of death in domesticated animals. And cancer is high up on the list of diseases that kill humans as well, up until last year (obesity is now #1 in humans). Ethoxyquin is approved for use in human food in amounts 1/100th the amount that it is approved for in pet food. For those of you that don't know what ethoxyquin is.

"Ethoxyquin is a quinoline-based antioxidant used as a food preservative and a pesticide (under commercial names such as "Stop-Scald"). It is commonly used as a preservative in pet foods to prevent the rancidification of fats. There has been some speculation that ethoxyquin in pet foods might be responsible for certain health problems. To date, the US FDA has only found a verifiable connection between ethoxyquin and buildup of protoporphyrin IX in the liver, as well as elevations in liver-related enzymes in some animals. It has been shown to cause mortality in fish.

It is also commonly used in spices to prevent color loss due to oxidation of the natural carotenoid pigments."

Essentially it is used to preserve meat that isn't appropriate for human consumption. I feed a grainless food to all of my animals. They have bright shiney coats and have never had an ear infection, hot spot, fur loss, excessive itching or anything related to pet food illness. As well their stool is hard and dark all the time (unless they get into the garbage).

I think I posted this before but check this site out if you're interested in learning more http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

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by Evets on 03/14/2009 10:06pm

Cats are incredibly "picky" Sarah.  Welcome to the club.  Our cat was so picky she REFUSED to eat prescription. She looked at it, got this no thanks look on her face and wlaked off. At one point we practically had to stick her nose in it and she cringed and literally tried to wrestle out of our grasp. Our Vet gave in and said, "just feed her what she wants then.  Better she eats then refuses to eat. We'll try some other approach and make some adjustments."  We opened her favorite, she ate it up and walked off and washed her face. Sheesh.


 


 


 


 

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by Sarah on 03/14/2009 09:20pm

Prescription foods are great, but what if your cat won't eat them? I have an IBD cat who will quite literally starve himself to death if I give him anything other than Purina One (and I've tried EVERYTHING). I'd love to put him on a vet diet that would support his kidneys and not upset his immune system, but he won't eat it. Maybe dogs are easier?

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by melissa on 03/14/2009 09:02pm

alh, I am not a vet, just an owner with an allergic dog. and a people-nurse  After spending a bundle on Hill's, we decided to try elimination on our own without the vet's involvement (her recommendation was Z/D, end of story.) After a lot of cooking and preparing food for him, we discovered that fish does not make him itch, so that's all he gets now. Treats are peanut butter based, no meat. Heck of a lot cheaper (and more comfortable for all of us) to buy fish and potato based food for my Berner than spend a fortune on Hill's and antibiotics and creams and sprays treating (but never curing!) the itch es caused by beef, lamb and chicken.

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by Deanna on 03/14/2009 08:51pm

LorriM (and others), re: underlying cause of allergies to begin with, I recently attended a two-hour presentation by a nearby DVM who specializes in GI issues in dogs and cats. He talked about GMO's, increased gluten content of grains compared to a generation ago and something I'd heard about, but didn't know a thing about, leaky-gut syndrome.


According to this DVM, any number of things can cause intestinal damage; chemicals, NSAIDS, parasites, antibiotics, etc. The theory is that the so-called leaky gut allows thing to enter the blood stream through the intestinal wall that normally wouldn't be allowed through and causes an immune (allergic) reaction.


In our case, we have a dog who was treated with chemo for 7 months and his GI problems commenced shortly after we had to stop because the chemo was becoming too toxic. So in his case, we know the insult to the GI tract. Through trial and error and ridiculous amounts of Lomotil and Endosorb, as well as feeding canned Hill's I/D (which every fiber of my body was screaming against doing and as it turns out, he became sensitive to eventually as well) along with home-cooked turkey and potatoes (he flunked beef, chicken and rice), we got his GI issues under control in about 4 months. Then I fed some treats around the holidays and we were back at it again. 


Following this DVM's suggestions for supplementation (we added mega amounts of vitamin D and quecertin to the CoQ-10, silymarin, fish oil, calcium and multi-vitamin we were already giving) and a duck and potato diet and we're now weaning our guy off of the Lomotil again. We saw results within days.


It was a fascinating presentation and I'm sure he only scratched the surface of what he could have talked about since it wasn't a group with medical knowledge. I wish he would have gone into the physiology more than he did (I love that crap), but I think he would have lost people and I wouldn't have wanted that because the group asked such excellent questions. The two hours he talked flew by.


Re: owner's objections to the expense, stay on your soap-box Dr. K! Sometimes it just takes re- and repeating your mssg. and it will be heard eventually. A friend of mine had to hear it from 3 different knowlegeable dog owners and two vets to get the message and then she felt bad for her dog suffering with awful ear infections all those years. 

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by Evet on 03/14/2009 06:17pm

Any speculation and research being done into additives, preservatives, ingredients,  (gm) and what have you being a cause of allegeries?

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by alh on 03/14/2009 05:34pm

My cat has been on Z/D for a year now.  I know she is allergic to something.  I suspect it's corn, though it could be something else.  (If I feed her food with corn in it, she constantly scratches at her ears.  If I feed her food without corn, she scratches way less.  If I feed her Z/D, she rarely scratches).  Anyway, my vet has never mentioned doing food trials with her.  Partly they're concerned because she has had a case of acute/ chronic pancreatitis, so they don't want to rock the boat, but even when she was on Z/D years before getting pancreatitis, they never mentioned food trials.  So I guess my question is: how successful are food trials?  Should I bring them up next time I take her to the vet?  I want my little beastie to feel well, and if I can find some food that's not >$5/ lb that'll do that, I'd be even happier.

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by lindabcs on 03/14/2009 04:36pm

As the owner of one dog that has a 'sensitive gut' and atopy that is managed (primarily) with bathing and antihistamines and another with food allergies, thank you! My food allergic dog had rather severe colitis from the time we got her at about 8 months old, until the time I put her on a prey-model raw diet at nearly 3. We tried approximately a zillion different foods and never got relief. After two days on raw chicken quarters we had solid, non mucousy stool. Then, some weeks later, she got into some canned corn I spilled: colitis. Other veggies? No problem, but for my dog, as uncommon as it may be according to other claims, corn is an allergen. I just finished my dermatology course and our teachers listed corn right up there with wheat and beef as allergens, so I'd really like to see the studies that Sassy and Calliegoose are referring to. I stay away from wheat now too, just because it's generally accepted that it may cause problems and I'm gun-shy.


I can now feed her EVO regular (chicken and turkey based) and EVO Red meat (Beef and Lamb based) with no problems, so the 'common meat allergies' aren't the problem. I ran out of food and feeding kibble is more convenient than raw, so I got a bag of Innova, and it wasn't awful, but there was some gas and loose stool (maybe just the food change?). Ran out of that and went back to raw and back to having no problems. Our old vet never once suggested that grain allergies might have been the problem.


My atopy boy's got a sensitive gut and does well on EVO and raw too, but is prone to explodey-butt with any of the Science Diets or Innova diets we've tried him on, even with a very, very slow transition. Admittedly, I haven't gone the zd route because of expense. He's also a nervous dog in general and I'm sure that contributes. Again, the only difference I can see is that he does well when he's grain free, and I'm mopping up a GSD sized pile of diarrhea from my kitchen floor when he's not. Again, it tends to make one very shy of trying anything different.


Food issues are real, significant, and can sometimes be managed just by choosing a different food. I'd just add that corn and wheat glutens are protein (ie, potential allergens) not carbs, and therefore, something that needs to be looked at when choosing new diets in addition to the meats.


 


 

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by Calliegoose on 03/14/2009 04:32pm

I didn't mean to bold, that happened to me last time too...I was trying to paragraph, Sorry!

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by LorriM on 03/14/2009 04:16pm

I of course am going to be unpopular in my opinion here....but I don't support Hills period...so I wouldn't feed it.


now after saying that...I think that the underlying cause is being missed. I am not saying that food allergies don't exist, because clearly they do, but what has caused the immune system to respond to certain foods the way that it does in some breeds.


without a doubt, you have an inbred aspect to the equation, but you must also look at over vaccination. damaged immune systems are much more likely to cause allergy related responses to many things.


Food is an easy scape goat to many other underlying health issues, it is in people as well as pets. And show me a skin test that doesn't come back positive for something....


enviromental factors such as ingested chemicals from carpets, and cleaners and furniture treatments all work further to damage immune systems as well.


So while removing a food protein might solve the immediate problem for a while, I doubt long term it is going to be the solution in many cases.

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by Calliegoose on 03/14/2009 03:59pm

Sassy, I think you have been educated well on food. I agree with everything you say including the corn (I may get flamed too). I felt bad pointing out a correction!I am glad to see you recommend the 12 week trial, the number of food allergies not correctly diagnosed between week 10-12 is around aboutr 45% of missed cases. Another problem with the OTC foods is cross contamination. For a grocery run it is rare that they clean between runs. You will have protein fragments left over from the previous batch getting into your duck and potato.

The academy of dermatology is now recommending rabbit as their novel protein source, and that has been hard to get in a wet diet at least. Royal Canin discontinued theirs last year because of a rabbit liver shortage. It takes 4 livers to make 1 can of food. The only option for rabbit liver in 2008 was China. Hills just discontinued theirs about 2 months ago and I hear from the grapevine that Royal Canin will soon have their rabbit wet back too.

A dermatologist in my area also recommends seperating water bowls for food trails as well. Food from one animal will fall into the water bowl and then the food trial animal is exposed as well.

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by Teri and the cats of Furrydance on 03/14/2009 03:29pm

Ah, allergies and ears...people just don't get the connection oftentimes. At the feline practice I work at, we use mostly Hill's z/d and Royal Canin's Duck etc. Sometimes I just try and oversimplify allergies to clients and say "skin is skin" whether it be on the trunk, in the ears or in the intestines.


Of course, it helps when one has personal experience with an allergic pet as of course, that makes us more knowledgeable and a better salesperson as we have confidence in what we are saying. Most clients don't persevere with the food trials though, and one reason is expense, but another is multi-pet homes and trying to restrict food access. Again, sort of an excuse, as when I was food trialing one of my cats, she just spend 8 weeks in the guest room while I was away and I took up the other cats food when I was home so she could have free access to the house. 


I have Cornish Rex, which tend to be quite yeasty--ears, nailbeds etc and this particular cat had skin plaques and very yeasty ears. We did the Heska environmental allergy test on her (we don't often do the food allergen one initially) and thought she would be allergic to storage mites the most, but she had the highest numbers in the tree and molds area.  


So I was not sure the food would really help her issues, but we started her on it (as well as treating the other issues. and she improved 99%. Her ears cleared up and her skin is perfect. Other than the usual maintenance bathing, once a month baths in HyLyt, she is back to being healthy and happy again.


 

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by Sassy on 03/14/2009 03:23pm

Sorry to be picky, but a 'novel protein' diet is considered one with unusual protein sources, such as kangaroo, salmon, etc.  Z/D is NOT a novel protein diet, it is a hydrolyzed protein and carbohydrate diet.  The protein and carbs are broken down (hydrolyzed) to a small molecular weight that the body does not recognize as the allergen, but can still use in the same way.  Basically, it 'tricks' the body into thinking that the allergen is no longer present.


I also have clients go at least 12 weeks with an elimination food trial, since there are animals that can take that long to clear the body of the allergens.  Most see results sooner, but not all.  At our clinic, we start clients on Z/D for the 12 week trial, then we try a prescription novel protein diet, such as duck and potato, whitefish and potato, venison and potato, rabbit and green bean etc.  If the patient does well on that, then we start trying the commercial (OTC) novel protein diets.  There are two problems we have found with the OTC diets, though.  First, clients must check the ingredient lists carefully every time they buy the food.  I have seen many foods that say 'duck and potato' on the package, but in the ingredient list show that there is chicken, turkey, beef hearts, or other possible allergens used.   And manufacturers have been known to change the ingredients from one batch to another, and start including an allergen in a food that previously worked.  The second problem is that sometimes OTC foods have trace contamination from other food processed on the same machines, similar to the contamination that people with peanut allergies have to watch for.


A real concern I have now is that a lot of people are starting to use these novel protein diets when their pet has no problem, not realizing that food allergies are usually developed allergies, after years of exposure to the allergen.  This is why lamb is now one of the top three allergens in dogs, though years ago, it was the diet of choice for food allergic dogs.  Eventually, what  protein will these dogs have to left to use? They may have to stay on super-expensive Z/D for life!


And, since I know this will be brought up, corn is NOT one of the top allergens, according to clinical studies.  That's all I will say on the subject of corn for now, cause I know that will get flamed!

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by casey on 03/14/2009 02:49pm

I have always thought IVD (now Royal Canin) to be the "king" of these foods or the novel protein diets. I have always had the best luck with them espically from a cost perspective. If you can maintain a client on a $50 - $60 bag, it is much easier to get them to comply than on a z/d or hydrolyzed chicken diet than can cost over $100 now.

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by Dr. Patty Khuly on 03/14/2009 02:36pm

Kathy: Great point. I try to explain this to clients but as with everything else allergy-related, it's a battle. It's a lot easier if at the very first sign of possible allergic disease I get on my soapbox. While I risk freaking people out it's a surefire way to get them to understand that this will NOT be an easy fix!!

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by Kathy on 03/14/2009 02:08pm

I love food trials. Granted they don't always work but my issue is that many clients seem to just see the food costs and forget about the ongoing treatment of the issues at hand. How much are you spending on ear cleaners, antibiotics,shampoos,other various meds plus your additional time??? Sometimes a simple food change, which might be more expensive than what you're feeding now, could end up saving you a lot of money in the long run.

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by drsteggy on 03/14/2009 12:45pm

And a heads up on anyone feeding kangaroo--I have one patient who can ONLY eat kangaroo, and we have problems getting his food at times.  My client will import kangaroo meat from Austrailia when K/O is unavailable for whatever reasons, and every now and then she runs into issues getting kangaroo into the States.  I presume its trade/tariff stuff for the most part--she is stocking up on K/O at the moment because she can't get kangaroo meat in and her dog needs to eat!


I do use a lot of ZD though--people who have been through dogs who had ear canal ablations in the future that are now normal are happy to pay for the food, but it can be a tough sell even after trying everything else and makingthe suggestion several times.


 


 

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