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So Nike's now dumped Vick. Hooray for public opinion!

Referencing Vick's dog fighting scandal and drug scandals in sports, a news commentator lamented , "Where are our heroes?" Just what makes someone practicing sports for a hideous sum of money a hero anyway? If this is all kids have to look up to for heroes we're already in dire trouble.

I hope Vick gets dumped by his team. I hope that kids realize there's more to a hero than flash , money and an ability to play sports well. Of course that would mean kids spent an equal amount of time shoveling poop out of humane society pens or working in a soup kitchen as they do stuck to the TV or web idolizing 2 dimensional morally deficient plastic people.

And yes, Dr. Patty, of course it's rediculous that it takes a "sports hero" (sic) being involved in dog fighting to make people realize it's barbaric and going on under their noses. But I'll take what I can get .

Just a short comment:

Mr. Vick, you're no Donovan McNabb!

(McNabb known greatly for his dogs being the love of his life and his great amount of charity work).

I agree with Ken and Amy. Vick is one of the people our children should be able to look up to, but here he is protesting his innocence by reason of "ignorance". How could anyone be ignorant of a dog-fighting compound complete with kennels, fighting rings and a graveyard just a few feet from his door?

I believe that in addition to prison time, this abomination of a human being (and I use the term loosely) should be banned for life from the NFL, prohibited from product endorsements, and any forfeited contract and endorsement money should be directed to animal-welfare organizations. And as a term of his eventual parole, he should be required to do community service, under strict supervision of course, in a shelter or for one of those same animal-welfare organizations.

To equate antiquity or traditions with barbarity is foolish. We'd still be living in feudal times with that attitude. I can think of hundreds of ancient practices that I'm thankful to leave on the pages of our history books. Animal fighting would be among them.

It's horrifying to me that people like Vick will get away with this (which he will) and continue to earn millions. Kobe Bryant can go around raping young women and then continue on his path to fame and fortune......I only cling to the hope that maybe some exposure to this sickening pastime will allow laws to be created and enforced. But it seems like Sen. Byrd is the only person of power who has the same outrage as me.

I agree with Ken.......and I'd be happy to help him broadcast it, perhaps hold the camera? Lol....afterall public flogging has been around since ancient times? Right? Let's put him on the rack!

You people are nicer than I would be. I'd like to see Vick cut crotch to chin with a dull razor on national tv. Fighting dogs is barbaric (sp) Life in jail nothing less for anyone involved. That includes the scum that like to watch the fights. Now cock fighting on the other hand. I live in Western Massachusetts. Many people have poultry around here. I myself have had chickens for years. When the roosters mix it up it's something to see. However, when one rooster has had enough he runs like hell with the winner chasing him for a few yards. I've never seen one kill the other. But when you put two in a ring withtheir breasts feathers removed and steel spurs glued over their natural spurs and their combs cut off. Then you need to be removed from society. I'm not a blood thirsty person. I just think the punishment should fit the crime.

Elegy--

I'd wager the number of small town dogfighting operations has been dwarfed by the urban variety in the last 10-15 years as dogfighting has grown in popularity.

Regardless, if you look at the Summary of Raid Charts link at this page http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusdogfighting... you will see in all but two dogfighting raids either drugs or guns or both were seized.There's plenty of drugs and guns at rural dogfights.

<i>Where you have dogfighting, you generally have drugs and thugs with guns. I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that drugs and thugs with guns are a threat to them and their children.</i>

i'm not sure that i agree with that. in urban areas, yes, but dog fighting is a different flavor among those people. in the more rural areas dog-fighting is much more about money and wagering and notoriety than anything to do with guns and drugs.

I suspect the prevailing attitude is not so much that fighting dogs and birds are vermin, but that these blood sports just aren't that big of a deal. Police could be going after child molesters, why are they wasting time and effort on animals? After all, these animals are bred for fighting, and since they seem so eager to fight, they must like it, right?

IMO, the best way to get the general public to see dogfighting as something worth cracking down on is to convince them that it's in their best interest (even if they don't give a damn about the animals themselves--an attitude it would be futile to try to change). Where you have dogfighting, you generally have drugs and thugs with guns. I think pretty much everyone is in agreement that drugs and thugs with guns are a threat to them and their children.

Cockfighting is a tougher one. I don't know how closely drugs and guns are tied to it. And most people see chickens as food animals that would end up on the dinner plate anyway. Embarrassingly, cockfighting is still legal in Louisiana since the newly approved ban doesn't go into effect until next year. Apparently some people really buy into the "But it's part of my culture and heritage!" argument.

On the other hand, cockfighting and dog fighting are ancient sports, and handwringing over such things is a modern one. Who's to say which has a longer future?

How many poultry would you bet are in urban metro Miami? I'm betting hundreds of thousands. Far more than in urban Des Moines, but far fewer than in urban Los Angeles.

It's an interesting juxtaposition-- outrage in South Florida over cockfighting at the same time that Santeria is being talked up as a quaint but vaguely positive thing. Soon, maybe, Madonna will take it up (it fits well with her Catholic roots, after all). Months later, it'll be all about celebrity cockfighting. Paris Hilton with a bantam in her Birkin bag, Lindsay Lohan lofting a leghorn.

It IS a felony in all states. Well dog fighting is.

Dr Patty,
Your comments are well argued as usual. My opinon on the whole disgusting thing is that Vick's indicment is a GOOD thing. The publicity created by such a popular figure being indicted may make the general public aware that institutionalized animal cruelty is still happening. And the public in turn can hopefully apply neccessary pressure to the powers that be for a crack down on this horrendous behaviour.

http://www.animal-internet.com/Forums/Topic358-11-...

Tom expressed my opinion well.